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Speaker 1: (00:00)
I just don’t feel right or I’m really hurting. Every day is just very, very tough for me. Hey guys, I’m Dr. Dave. And you cannot imagine how many times per day, yes, per day. I get either emails or comments on my videos from those of you that are saying something just doesn’t feel right. Either you’ve got some form of depression or anxiety or maybe an addiction, uh, eating disorder. Um, it could be, it could be a ptsd, it could be, it could be one of so many things, or more than one of so many things. Um, first of all, I wanna tell you that I feel for you, I really do, because I’ve been through a lot of this, not all, but a lot, a lot of, uh, anxiety and depression and what I call ptsd, at least from myself, a PTSD not from war, but from a, um, a really, really difficult marriage.

Speaker 1: (01:03)
Um, I, I’ve got trauma from that. There’s, there’s no question about it. So I have started helping people try to find a way out of this. And, um, by the way, I’m in Nine Mile Canyon right now, um, in beautiful, my home state of Utah. Um, while I’m doing this, while I’m sharing this with you, I might show you some, um, night canyon’s a pretty cool place because it’s, it’s, there’s hiking and driving involved and, um, you can see some wonderful petroglyphs, um, art from Native Americans and whatnot, and just rock art, and it’s just, um, it’s really, really, really amazing. As I’m talking, I’ll probably show you a little bit along the you, but what I’ve thought about a lot lately is, you know, so I’m a retired dentist, and when somebody would come to me for dental treatment, a cavity, a broken tooth, uh, they need infection, they need a root canal, they need a tooth extracted.

Speaker 1: (02:18)
I would perform the procedure and we would take care of the problem, and that would be, it. Sounds easy, right? Well, think about this. When you go to a therapist, psychologist, psychiatrist, social worker, whatever it might be, um, they don’t really correct me if I’m wrong, but they don’t really cure you. They might give you medication that you have to take every day for the rest of your life. That’s not really a cure. That’s like, as far as I’m concerned, that’s masking the problem. Uh, they might say you need talk therapy once a week or twice a week, uh, basically forever, because it doesn’t cure you. It, you can talk your way. Uh, not you can’t talk your way out of things, but you can certainly talk about what’s happened, but that’s not gonna cure you. So that’s why I, I was really, really frustrated with all these, uh, possible solutions that really don’t work.

Speaker 1: (03:16)
And I remember I was feeling horrible, like, um, like a lot of you that are watching or or listening, um, they say at least one out of four people in the United States and probably all over the world, but at least one out of four. Um, I think more, much more suffering from, you know, some type of, some type of mental issue. Again, depression, anxiety and addiction, um, anorexia, whatever it might be. Um, and up until now we nobody ever thought there was a cure or, or kind of like one, one treatment fits all. You know, depending on what you had, you had to go through different types of treatments and it, and again, never cured, never cured anything. You always have it, which I think sucks until I discovered magic mushrooms and many, I’m not the only one. I’m not the, not the first. I won’t be the last.

Speaker 1: (04:13)
But magic mushrooms seem to, um, rework, rewire the pathways in the brain to actually actually cure you. Cure you instead of treating or something that you’d have to do for the rest of your life that it masks it. No, that totally cures. And remember, this is not medical advice. This is my story I’m sharing with you. I mean, I went through a lot of the same stuff you’re going through and I, I was fed up and I had it, and I just did not want to go to my therapist, um, for talk therapy every week. And I did not wanna be on an antidepressant every day for the rest of my life. That was, that’s not living, that’s not, that’s not the way to live. Guys, gals, guys is kind of like, um, the catchall for everybody. I mean, everybody, and I know many people have different pronouns, but I’m saying guys, meaning, meaning no matter what, you are human being, everybody, all of you, okay? Um,

Speaker 1: (05:25)
When I started microdosing magic mushrooms, that was the time. That was the day that I felt that they reversed everything I had been going through in the past. I wake up days now and I don’t have the feeling of my heart beating outta my chest. I don’t feel, I don’t have the feeling of, um, being depressed. I, I remember one day, um, a couple years ago, probably two years ago, walking outside Salt Lake City with my wife. We were walking through kind of up around the downtown area. And, um, I had nothing to be upset about, nothing to be depressed about, nothing to be worried about. But I had this feeling, this inner feeling, it just wouldn’t go

Speaker 2: (06:16)
Away.

Speaker 1: (06:18)
Sorry. Let me see if passes, hang on. It wouldn’t go away. And I said, I said to myself, why? Why? Why am I anxious? Why am I feeling depressed? What do I have to worry about? No, my life is good, but it’s something inside my brain that was not right and was causing these horrible issues. I haven’t had those issues once I started, but I started, I started, okay, let me take that back. I, I started, I called my doctor like the next day and said, I, I need some kind of antidepressant. And he put me on Lexapro. And I thought after about four to six weeks to start kicking and working really well, and I thought, Hey, this is great. But it wasn’t great. I don’t wanna be, I don’t wanna have a pill that I was taking the rest of my life that just masks everything. I wanted a cure. That’s all microdosing magic mushrooms did to me. So far. It’s been a year and a half. I’m off my medication. I feel good. I’m able to live my life finally. And I want this for you. I want you to be able to do what I did. It’s nothing to be afraid about. Microdosing is microdosing. It’s a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of a dose.

Speaker 1: (07:42)
It helped me. It’s continuing to help me. I still microdose. I think I’ll help you. I’m Dr. Dave. This is Microdose you.

Speaker 3: (07:56)
Hey, it’s Dr. Dave coming back to you after the show. I really appreciate you being here. And if you could just do me one little favor before you go, it’ll take you about 30 seconds of your time. Go onto your podcast platform and give us a rating and a review. Um, it takes just a little bit of your time and it really, really will help the show immensely. I’m trying to get the word out to people all over the world because so many people are struggling and they need help and this is the way they’re gonna find out about us. So take a little bit of your time, do it for us. I really appreciate you. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: (00:01)
I’m just gonna start talking. So, um, about oh five, six hours ago I took, um, 0.25 grams of, um, magic mushrooms 0.25. So that’s, uh, 250 milligrams and it didn’t go exactly the way I wanted it to. By the way, welcome to Microdose U Dr. Dave. Um, it, I’ve been talking about microdosing on this channel for quite some time. I’m not sure how long, but I’ve been microdosing for about a year and a half. My experience has been really, really good. Basically, microdosing has, um, allowed me to totally get off antidepressants, um, blood pressure meds, um, benzo Daze, any, pretty much anything I was taking. Um, I’m off of. I don’t, I don’t take any, I don’t take any medication, any pharma, pharmacological, pharmaceutical. I don’t take anything. Um, and I’ve been talking to you all about microdosing for quite some time, but the experience I had this evening was not one that I really would wish on you or want you to have. And I feel, I feel kind of guilty too, because one of the last episodes I was sharing this, um, stack that I kind of invented. I don’t, I probably didn’t invent it, but, but when I went ahead and took some, um, C B D, which is, you know, sold over the counter, um, and some, um,

Speaker 1: (01:56)
Lion’s, main mushroom, which is also sold over the counter on Amazon, wherever you want it, along with a microdose of magic mushrooms and microdose was 250 milligrams, which is 0.25 grams. I, I told you last time that this, the combination of the 0.25 grams, which is not really, you’re not really supposed to feel it with the CBD D and the Lions main just kind of sent me somewhere and it was actually quite pleasant, really pleasant. Um, I did it again last week and it was great. Again. It, it really worked. I mean, it, it’s, it feels like, it feels like much more than any microdose with a microdose, if that makes sense. But tonight, um, I, I felt weird. I have to admit, I felt it was something that I didn’t really embrace and was just looking forward to end. And I start having these weird feelings, like, here I am, am I a fraud? I’m helping people all over the world with microdosing, and here I put this episode out about this stack, and you can, you anybody can do it and it’s gonna be great, but it didn’t turn out great tonight. And I started having these weird feelings within myself also. Like, okay, when’s this going to end? Uh, it’s a little bit weird. When’s it gonna end? And, and

Speaker 1: (03:34)
Not only that, but anybody that listened to the podcast or watch the video or however you get your information from me, um, if they try this, and I make it very clear that this, nothing I say here is, is medical advice. I make it very clear. But still that doesn’t make me feel good that if somebody went ahead and took some magic mushrooms along with C b D, could this do the same thing to them? Could this send them into the, into space and, and not, not not super pleasant in, in, um, and I started feeling guilty. I started feeling that I shouldn’t be doing this. I shouldn’t have this channel. I’m a fraud. I’m telling people the wrong thing. I should just go away. But then I thought, no, that’s not right. There’s no guarantee that every single experience, even microdosing, there’s no guarantee that every single experience is going to be incredibly positive. Um, this microdosing has allowed me to changed my whole life. Like the way I think, the way I feel every day, the way I see other people, the way I see the universe, it’s, it’s totally changed my life. And one weird bad one,

Speaker 1: (05:02)
It wasn’t a bad, I can’t say it was not a bad trip. There’s probably no such thing as a bad trip. You always learn something from it. But I just, it was just, it was just like a little bit uncomfortable and I just wanted it to stop. And I, I just knew that, you know, what I’ve learned on my own and what I’ve heard from others is, you know, you just realized that, okay, it’s something I ingested. It’s going to eventually go away, which it did, and learn from the experience, which I did. Um, what did I learn? I’m when I learned that I’m helping a shitload of people all over the world. And if you have a bad experience now and then, or something that you perceive to be a bad experience, learn from it.

Speaker 1: (05:50)
Learn from it. I get emails and comments on my videos every day, multiple, multiple, multiple, multiple every day. Sometimes I can respond right away. Other times it takes me days or weeks, week plus, or weeks just depending. But I do respond. I try my best. I try my best to respond to everything because you are super important to me. I’m not doing any of this for any kind of monetary reward. I, I’d be starving if I were. Um, I’m doing it really to help people that were in, that are in the same situation that I was in a year and a half ago, desperate talk therapy, not working on Lexapro or, you know, some other fill in the blank, whatever type of SSRI or antidepressant or anti-anxiety or whatever on that. Um, not being able to live life to its fullest because you don’t even know how you’re gonna feel every day.

Speaker 1: (06:57)
I’m helping these people all over the world. So if I share something that ultimately turns out to not work for me the way I thought it would, am I a failure? Do I need to quit? No. This is a learning process, guys and gals. I’m new at this. I mean, relatively speaking. I mean, a year and a half outta my life, a year and a half, a year and a half outta my life, learning what this miracle plant medicine can do. And that’s why I’m very clear, like if I recommend something, be careful. Everybody’s different. Everybody reacts differently to things. And, um, that’s why if you haven’t seen my video, the Absolute Beginners Guide to Microdosing Magic Mushrooms, please watch that again. I get so many questions every single day that that video answers. How do I do it? How do I, how much do I do?

Speaker 1: (07:58)
How much do I ingest? How often? Again, it’s not medical advice. Everybody’s different, but it’s a really good guide and if you listen to me in general, things are gonna be good. But I just let I learn tonight that there’s not a hundred percent guarantee even with what I do. There’s just not a hundred percent guarantee. So I wanna share it with you guys. Um, I’m not gonna edit any of this if there are long pauses. It’s totally, totally the way I feel right now. Um, about five, about five hours after doing 0.25 Graham, which is again, is a, is a microdose. It is a small dose, it’s a tiny dose. But combined with the, um, CBD that I did earlier today combined with that, I find that it really just potentiates it like crazy. Okay? I’ll read every single comment in the comment section. I’ll do my best to answer what you have to ask me or say or whatever Michael does. You, Dr. Dave, talk to you soon.

Speaker 2: (09:17)
Hey, it’s Dr. Dave coming back to you after the show. I really appreciate you being here. And if you could just do me one little favor before you go, it’ll take you about 30 seconds of your time. Go onto your podcast platform and give us a rating and a review. Um, it takes just a little bit of your time and it really, really will help the show immensely. I’m trying to get the word out to people all over the world because so many people are struggling and they need help and this is the way they’re gonna find out about us. So take a little bit of your time, do it for us. I really appreciate you. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: (00:00)
Anyway, Tennyson, thanks. Thanks so much for being with me here. This is, this is, I feel honored to have you here talking to you. How are you today?

Speaker 2: (00:09)
I’m doing really good. Thank you. And I so appreciate your invitation. I, uh, for the last six months or so have kind of been in hermit mode, so it feels really good to come out and be able to talk about everything, especially in relation to what I’m doing. Um, and I assume, you know, some of the subjects we’ll get into today. So feeling good. I’m, I’m walking. It’s sunny. Uh, couldn’t be a better situation, really.

Speaker 1: (00:38)
So it, it was, it was really cool meeting you, like the way we did the other day, a couple weekends ago. It was super cool. And I remember you, um, your story is like, if I may say amazing, it was, uh, wait, you’re, you’re, you’re at a park right now. Where are you?

Speaker 2: (00:55)
So, I’m at, I’m actually at the park across the street from Liberty.

Speaker 1: (01:00)
Oh,

Speaker 2: (01:01)
I, I realized I might get a little winded, if I tried to talk and walk at the same time. So

Speaker 1: (01:09)
Wait a minute. Wait, you’re, you’re at the park across the street from Liberty Park, kind of right? Where, yeah. Wait, where do you, where do you live exactly? Hold on.

Speaker 2: (01:18)
So here’s 900 East, I think. Okay. Or eight eight East. Um, so I’m on like eight 50 east, just a block that way. Um, in between eighth and ninth course,

Speaker 1: (01:30)
Tenon, tenon, I’m, I’m right around the corner from you. We could have done this, we could have done this live. You could have come to my house. Oh my, I can’t how close we are. I knew we live, I knew we both live in Salt Lake City, but we are literally like blocks away from each other as we speak right now. I could probably look out my window and wave to you

Speaker 2: (01:48)
. So, you know, you know Harrison Avenue then, right? That’s, that’s the street I’m on . Exactly. Oh my God.

Speaker 1: (01:55)
Okay. So when I was talking to you the other day, you, I came to, you had a little stand going and I was amazed cause I saw something about mushrooms and you, it seems like you own a mushroom company to say it, like probably the easiest, the simplest possible way, but, um mm-hmm. , I want to hear a little bit about that. And I want to hear about your story, cuz I know you’ve got, I know you’ve got a story that got you to where you are now, and I want, I want to hear about that.

Speaker 2: (02:23)
Okay. Yeah. So the company’s name is actually, so magic Mou MOU is Chinese for mushroom. So, uh, there’s a little bit of an attempt to incept into the mainstream, the idea of magic mushrooms. And of course that extends far beyond psilocybin, though I’m also, um, a huge proponent of psilocybin being something that is, uh, loved and respected and honored and not seem to be any different from anything else that people commonly use to enhance their wellbeing and ability to enjoy life. And so, of course, that’s also a big piece of my story. Um, I, I would say almost 6, 5, 6 years ago now, I, um, was in the, the dark depths of depression. I had been diagnosed with severe depression and ptsd. Um, and it had really been something that kind of snuck under the surface as this undercurrent that I can very clearly see now painted most of my life.

Speaker 2: (03:42)
And in a funny way, the lack of awareness of it, um, both made life easier in that I didn’t identify with this idea of being a certain way. But because there was also this underlying condition that I wasn’t dealing with, um, it, it still dragged me down. And the way the, uh, therapist I worked with briefly described it, which resonated with me, was that I was drowning. Um, and yet no one else could see that or understand how it was happening to me because we were both there together. And for some reason I was suffocating on myself. So, um, then it got worse and better when I was diagnosed because then I identified with my idea of what it meant to have those things going on. And for whatever reason, I, um, had dramatic reactions to professional treatment in the sense that I didn’t trust that they could work. And I, uh, I stopped taking the medication I was given after about a week. I never ended up going to my therapy sessions, um, after the initial diagnosis. Um, and I kind of just walled in it for about a year.

Speaker 1: (05:09)
Before you get into like, kind of like the next part, I, I wanna know because, um, your, your story sounds very, very similar to mine. I’m just a little bit older than you, but probably sounds really, really familiar. But, um, I wanna know from you, um, tell me a little bit about your depression and, and also if you’re able to talk about your ptsd, like, I’d, I’d like to know like where it came from or where you feel it came from, like a little bit more about the background with that before we move on.

Speaker 2: (05:37)
Okay. Yeah. Um, it, you know, it, it, it’s almost tough to say because I recognize that a large portion of it was inherited. Um, there’s so much that we are now learning, especially in the last five years about epigenetic memory and the, uh, you know, the personality traits that we inherit, um, from our ancestry. And we can identify it going back as much as seven generations. And I believe it goes back much further. Um, and, you know, much of those personality traits are trauma based. And so I think a lot of it actually was rooted in that they were, it was almost like a, uh, I had the potential to express all of these traumatic, uh, conditioning traits that exist in my family line, which you could also call are a history of mental illness and a history of X, y, Z. So there was that, and then I had this unbelievably charmed childhood, um, until I was about 22, um, which was maybe slightly thrown off with this, um, impending sense of, this is too easy, this is too good, something’s gotta happen.

Speaker 2: (06:58)
Um, and then it did, oh, there’s a dog walking over. Um, which was, um, I, I won’t go into detail, but basically I went from this very charmed position. Um, I had a very secure religious worldview. Um, and I felt very confident in it because of the people that I depended on to, uh, kind of outsource that sense of competence to really, and so there was this moment when everything, because of certain events that had happened and really coincided with my own beginning to investigate life from a more authentic perspective that kind of caused that old worldview to, um, fall apart. Uh, I guess for a little more context it was the, the Mormon worldview. And so, um, I had discarded that. And then within a month of that happening, um, some certain events happened in my family and, uh, we kind of lost everything really, to put it bluntly. And so you

Speaker 1: (08:03)
Mean when you, when you say you lost everything, do you, are you saying that your, you and your family lost whatever you had income,

Speaker 2: (08:11)
Money, that thing? Yeah. Bankruptcy. Oh, I, I dropped outta school. Um, yeah, there, my parents separated, uh, and there were, there were a variety of different, you could say, uh, what in my experience felt like certain types of betrayals that were, um, pretty, uh, heavy. And so it all just happened at once. It, it almost felt like this, you know, it was that thing of that sense of impending zoom and bam, there all was where any misfortune I could have had in my childhood, it all seemed to happen within a span of a couple of months. And so, so with that triggered all of my unhealthy coping tendencies. And, um, and so it was this kind of three year period where I just, I didn’t know how to deal with life outside of the framework I had been given and was a very soft, uh, framework, and I, I didn’t have to depend on myself much. Um, and so it was just, it was just tough. I had to do a lot of growing up, um, very quickly. And I didn’t have the support network that I had sort of integrated into my entire life, which was the, you know, kind of local religious Utah community. Um, and so, uh, that, that’s the background that, uh, sort of prelude this, um, PTSD and depression.

Speaker 1: (09:49)
Okay. Well thanks for sharing. Cause I know sometimes that’s things like that are difficult to share. And, um, I, I appreciate you sharing even that much.

Speaker 2: (09:57)
So everything, it was cool. Everything sort of just had a, just as quick of a transition out of those depths. Um, the first time I tried a hallucinogen, which was lsd, and then a few weeks later, magic mushrooms. Um, and it was so cool because the LSD experience, um, it was, there was nothing crazy that happened or, you know, not, not, um, an intense hallucination experience, but I saw very clearly and, and literally that everything was connected. Um, I could see the seamlessness of it visually, and it, and could feel it in my sense of meaning or intuition or it just, I just knew, right? And then as I came out of the, uh, trip, the first thought that came to my mind was, I’m not depressed. That’s something that was doing. I don’t have ptsd. Um, that’s something I was doing, and now I can do whatever I want because, and I now recognize it’s because I had enough, been able to disassociate from those identities and be exposed to another possibility that was totally undeniable of what I could do, where I could go the way life was, that my sense of support, um, sort of blossomed inside of me, you could say.

Speaker 2: (11:26)
And so I didn’t have to outsource it. I didn’t have to cope with the, the assumption or perception that I didn’t have that. And, um, and then a few weeks later I tried the magic mushrooms. And I, it’s funny, I actually don’t remember what happened at all in that trip. Uh, but I know that there was,

Speaker 1: (11:46)
Well, let’s, let’s back up for a second. How, um, roughly how much did you take?

Speaker 2: (11:52)
I did half a tab to start.

Speaker 1: (11:54)
Oh, that’s the lsd. The lsd.

Speaker 2: (11:56)
Oh yeah, the lsd, the mushrooms. I don’t know, I, it was funny. I was, um, a, a hippie driving through Utah in their van with their friends, gave them to me, um, . So, so

Speaker 1: (12:09)
Did you know anything about mushrooms before that? Or did you just, you took them from a hippie and just downed a whole bunch and you didn’t know how many

Speaker 2: (12:17)
I had spent years researching, um, both mushrooms and lsd. I was very nervous about ’em leading up until when I made the decision. Uh, I’m, I’m very much a, a, a research oriented person and will exhaust the available information on something most of the time before I move forward into it. Um, and so I tried, you know, I did that with both mushrooms and lsd, and I guess those two things were all the research I needed to, from that point forward to, uh, feel confident in exploring psychedelia and other areas of kind of the more mystical facet of life after that.

Speaker 1: (13:00)
So tell me a little bit more about your, about your mushroom trip, and then, and tell me about the trip itself, and then what happened after that. Like, what did you, what did you realize and how did, how did you, how did it change your life?

Speaker 2: (13:14)
Okay. So I would say that, um, in contrast to lsd, which is very cognition based, very intellectual, I think mechanically LSD is turning on, um, neural connectivity and mushrooms are turning them down. And so you get to the same place, but kind of from a different direction, if that makes any sense. And with the mushrooms, it was, um, around midnight that I took them. It was in dark, I had no music. Um, it was probably two grams, two to three grams. Um, and I, I wanna say I just ate them. And so the experience was deeply emotional. And again, um, the way I look at it is when you take psilocybin and it, and it, um, diminishes your mental activity, especially your egoic perceptual filters that have developed over a lifetime, um, the parts of you that have been, uh, suppressed by those filters for one reason or another, those parts are able to sort of bubble back up.

Speaker 2: (14:25)
And then it happens under a blissful context because you’ve got this sense of euphoria that the psilocybin creates by mimicking in a way, serotonin, if I’m getting it right. These are, this is how I remember the science. And so you’re able to view the parts of yourself that you unconsciously are the most afraid to express under a deeply loving and generally blissful and meaningful context. And that’s what I experienced. It was very much like a, a mother, uh, experience and reconnecting to life itself, um, and feeling an, a grand sense of empathy and appreciation and, um, really true love, love non-transactional love, which I think is an important distinction for all life, um, especially my relationships. Um, so that’s all I really remember of how it was. And then, you know, I came out and there was that, that glow, um, that I carried with me. And then ever since then, it, I just have that experience as a reference point to know where to go and how to be and kind of grow into.

Speaker 1: (15:44)
So what were you doing as far as work? Um, before, before you got into the lsd, before you got into the mushrooms, what was your, what was your job?

Speaker 2: (15:54)
Well, I was, uh, really, I was failing at work. I was getting into entry level positions and dropping out within a month almost every single time. I think I had gone through four different positions, um, in that year between the diagnosis and the LSD trip. But then within the month after the LSD trip, I had, uh, begun working as an intern and entrepreneur in residence at a EC firm. Um, uh, you know, and it just, it was so unbelievable how it unlocked my ability to move towards my potential and take these big risks for what felt like big risks and worked there. And I started a YouTube channel. I started devouring information on how to become a business owner.

Speaker 1: (16:46)
Wait back, let’s, um, hold back up. Um, what’s your YouTube channel? Maybe I didn’t even, I’m not even sure I knew about that. , let’s, let’s hear about that. Oh,

Speaker 2: (16:54)
I, it was, so originally the idea was I was going to go completely broke, which is what I was at the time, uh, and reach the point of financial independence where I could choose to retire if I wanted to within a year. So I’ve since deleted it. Uh, well, I’ve archived everything because it was kind of embarrassing . And, uh, the irony is, I, I did it, it worked within a year, I had moved to the Caribbean, um, and was working once a week as an extra in films and living out my fantasy of a retired life. Um, and it was funny because I’d given up on the whole project, I’d left the VC firm. I had abandoned the company I started, um, which was an augmented reality company, uh, because I realized within six months of that, that they were so out of, of sync with what felt authentic and joyous to me that it wasn’t right. And so then I went headlong into just, let’s just retire right now without the money and see what happens. And, um,

Speaker 1: (18:01)
So how can you, so how, tell me how you can retire without money though. I’m just, um, I’m, I’m cur curious about that one.

Speaker 2: (18:08)
Well, I don’t think you can. I, I think I, uh, , I w i I had a lot of luck. Um, I was able to sell enough stuff and get a credit card to survive in the Caribbean at a hostile or sleeping on the beach. My food budget was $30 a week. Um, and my entertainment was, uh, drawing and, uh, the occasional, the occasional joint that somebody would give me an exchange for having a lighter, um, on the beach. And so it was a, you know, you gotta be young and available to a, a pretty fortunate flow of, uh, people helping you out . Um, but I was able to make enough money acting to survive, um, but not in a way that was fulfilling. And I realized that pretty quickly. And so my retirement ended within about four months. Uh, and I came back to Utah .

Speaker 1: (19:13)
Okay. And then you got back to Utah. And then what, what did you do?

Speaker 2: (19:18)
So when I came back, it was, um, with this new sense of ambition and restlessness, I guess I kind of realized that my idea of retirement was something I had developed out of ignorance. And I actually did want to work and, um, apply myself in ways that were uncomfortable but valuable. And so I moved in with my mom. I had almost no money. I got a, another entry level position. I worked at it until I could get a position as a remote marketer for a company. Um, and I did that until I started Magic Mo, actually.

Speaker 1: (20:00)
Okay. Now that’s a good segue into magic. Mo you, you had this, I guess idea, um, maybe you love mushrooms. I’m guessing that it’s the case and I don’t think magic Mo is, um, is doing anything with psilocybin that I know of, cuz I know in Utah here, we, we really can’t do that legally. So tell me how you got into this and what it is exactly and how you built it, and a little bit more about that.

Speaker 2: (20:25)
Mm-hmm. , so we’re not doing anything with psilocybin yet. Um, there is a very clear path to that once the, um, legalization comes through. But when I, so I would describe the last 10 years of my life as the succession of reaching the point of whatever I had fantasized my life needed to be in order to feel happy and then be done searching. And I would reach that point and become disillusioned with it. Um, which was a huge blessing because it opened me up to something better. And then that would fall through as the thing. Um, and so this job with being a remote marketer, I thought that was the thing. I’d have remote work, I’d have the income I wanted. I was working with people I cared about in a company that was meaningful. And when it fell through, it was because I’m not meant to be a marketer.

Speaker 2: (21:21)
I don’t like it. I thought I did because I thought it would be easy, really. Um, and so it was actually pretty devastating when I and my employer both came to this conclusion. And it was difficult for me to hear him say, you, you need to do something that’s right for you. And I felt frustrated by that because it was such a mystery and it, it felt scary to, um, set out on my own in that way and not operate within an organization that somebody else had built, which also meant that they were taking on all the risks of trying something new. Um, so I was in a difficult period after leaving that job where I felt lost, but I also knew that I couldn’t depend on anything outside of my own intuition you could say. So I actually , I decided to fast and my idea was I wouldn’t eat until it came to me what the right thing was to do. Um, ,

Speaker 1: (22:28)
Was this a, um, what type of fast was it? Was it a water? Like you could drink water, I guess,

Speaker 2: (22:33)
Right? Only water. Only

Speaker 1: (22:34)
Water, yeah. So a water fast.

Speaker 2: (22:35)
Yeah. So I was, uh, really cashing in on something I had developed as a Mormon, which is that you do a 24-hour fast every month. So I kind of knew how to deal with it psychologically . Um, and on the fourth day, uh, I, it, it’s so funny too how obvious it, it was and is in retrospect, but it just occurred to me the only thing I’m interested in are mushrooms. I had been taking large doses of mushrooms at least once a month, um, for the last year and, um, and other psychedelics and had been having the most incredible experiences of insight and release and wonder and everything that comes with it. Um, and it had brought so much richness and freedom to my life. So, um, it occurred to me that mushrooms were it, and that I had only ever not considered it because I was afraid of what that meant I would have to do to be involved.

Speaker 2: (23:36)
And so, um, what I decided at that time was that I needed to go back to school and get into research with psychedelics. And so I was going to go and I had, I’ve only done three semesters of college, and so it was intimidating cause I was planning on going all the way to at least a master’s and getting a loan and working through that whole entire thing. But at the same time, I had digested enough inner fantasies about what life is supposed to be, that there wasn’t much left. And so it felt really easy to commit to something as intimidating or daunting as eight years of school because I didn’t feel like I would be distracted and I just needed something to do. So as I was preparing to go back to school, um, I was also heavily invested in kind of starting my own, uh, anecdotal, uh, research into psychedelics and how they could improve cognition and wellbeing and self-improvement.

Speaker 2: (24:45)
And so I was also super focused on, uh, neuronutrition a lot of different areas of psychology in the sense of improving one’s wellbeing, of course, um, and performance psychology especially, and flow state. Um, and so a big piece of that for me was food, because that was kind of the only resource I had access to at the time. Cause I didn’t have money for anything else and I was growing most of my own food. Um, and so I was very sensitive to how it felt to eat food and I was accumulating a lot of information of why it felt that way. And so I was able to develop this really helpful map of what food is to me now. Like as I’m eating something, what is it doing? Why is it doing that? How is that affecting my ability to, um, be intimate with life in a way that feels good and is sustainable?

Speaker 2: (25:44)
Um, and so the, the other side of that is this massive sense of dissatisfaction with what’s available in cheap and convenient food. And so this is where the company comes in and that it seemed to me that a solution to pay for school and to manage my own wellbeing would be to start making health foods that filled the potential I saw, which is that you could take things like snack bars and make them delivery mechanisms for potent performance and medicinal nutrition. And what I was experiencing at the time was that functional mushrooms are the holy grail of that because they have such a holistic effect on your body. They don’t cost you anything the way things like caffeine or other stimulants do. Um, and then they are also medicines in their own way. And so, um, that’s sort of the, uh, I think the word is apotheosis of the company and the philosophy behind it, which is that it can be easy to live well if we allow our laziness to inform our creativity, um, and to not compromise our values as we move forward with that. And so it started with snack bars and has since become what it is today, which is not much more . There’s some nut butters and just the regular mushroom powder blends. Uh, but then big plans for the future, which of course will hopefully include psilocybin.

Speaker 1: (27:16)
I’ve got this in front of me right here. Does that look familiar to you at all?

Speaker 2: (27:19)
Sure does. Have you been eating them?

Speaker 1: (27:23)
I have been eating them. And I know, um, you gave me, the caveat was this was kinda like one of your first products or first run or something, and you said that, yeah, it’s gonna taste very dry. I gotta tell you, it tastes much better than I thought it would because, um, you know, you kind of played it down. It’s definitely on the dry side, but, um, I’ve actually been using these, believe it or not, uh, hiking and things like that, and they’ve been working really well for me. So by eating these mushroom bars, uh, what should I, and I know you probably don’t have those available. I know you’ve probably, uh, you know, you’ve got other products that have replaced this maybe. But, um, what could I, what can I expect to happen to my health if I start eating these mushroom bars?

Speaker 2: (28:10)
Well, I would kind of put it into three categories. Um, oh, by the way, somebody told me if you pair those with apples, they’re delicious. And I, I tried to, oh, it’s true. So

Speaker 1: (28:21)
We got a whole bag of organic apples just yesterday. So I will, and you me, just kind, when you say pair, just kind of eat them together, is that what you’re saying?

Speaker 2: (28:30)
Just yeah, bite a each, it combines into sort of an apple cider kinda thing.

Speaker 1: (28:35)
Nice, nice, nice. Fantastic.

Speaker 2: (28:38)
So the first and most important thing to me is that you, well, actually what you don’t feel when you eat it, which is that you don’t feel digestive discomfort unless you’re the rare person that’s super sensitive to essential oils, which is why I’ve since changed it. And there’s very little essential oil in it. Um, but that has only happened I think once or twice anyone that’s ever eaten them. So you won’t feel heavy, you won’t feel digestive discomfort, you won’t feel bloating, you won’t feel tired, you won’t feel a lot of things that at least I never recognized I was feeling every time I ate until I started eating cleaner nutrition and suddenly food felt lighter. Um, which didn’t make sense to me at the time because if I’m adding something to my body, it should weigh it down because that’s just the physics of it.

Speaker 2: (29:29)
But if the food has a , I guess you could say chemical result, that’s buoyant, then you’re going to feel light and clear. And so the inverse of that is you’ll feel a, i, you know, at the beginning of IMAX movies where there’s that thing. Exactly. That’s what I feel. Um, every single cell is being given an active compound with which the cell will produce more energy. Literally, ATP production is increased by one of the mushrooms in the bar. And so there’s a sense of full body aliveness that the dial gets turned up on. And then, um, uh, cognitive clarity, I get a lot of people and myself included, that feel more creative and have just a, a more integrated sense of being with it. So that’s one part of it. Um, , I guess I said there’s three categories and I’m kind of mashing it all together.

Speaker 2: (30:31)
Uh, well, the other thing is you’ll feel satisfied. Um, hunger isn’t the lack of your stomach being full. Hunger is a signal that you are deficient in a nutrient that your body wants. And so to feel satisfied does not have to come after filling up your stomach. Um, so I notice that I can eat less than a full bar and I will feel satisfied and sometimes not finish it for another half hour or so, which is if I’m eating just normal, normal food off a plate, I’m ravenous looking. I grew up with seven siblings, and so if you didn’t eat fast, it was gone. Um,

Speaker 1: (31:17)
It’s funny that you said that because, um, it was the other day, I think it was up at out or something, and I had one of your bars in my, in my hip pack and I opened it up. I was kind of hungry and I, I ate half of it and I felt totally satisfied. So I put the other half back in the hip pack. It still might be there right now as a matter of fact, but, um, but it’s very shame that you said that because I I absolutely noticed that.

Speaker 2: (31:40)
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1: (31:41)
It must have given me, so other words, I got some kind of nutrition from it that, um, satisfied me and my cells and I felt like I just, I didn’t really have to have anymore. I was okay.

Speaker 2: (31:52)
Mm-hmm. , my intention with it originally was that you could replace your entire supplement regimen with one bar, and it’s not there yet, but, um, it does satisfy a lot of the nutritional needs that most people in the US are pretty chronically deficient in. Um, so it, I I love to hear that. It’s a, a huge validation, you know, to hear people say this. Um, and I’ll say the last thing that one could expect, um, and this is kind of my own theory with it, but, um, a, a huge idea that I wanted to push forward with these products is that everything in it is, um, a powerful anti-inflammatory agent. A lot of the ingredients are in the top 10 most powerful anti-inflammatory foods on the planet. Um, and this was incepted by the, I guess you could say the idea, I don’t know if it’s a fact or not, I believe it is that 80% of what ails US disease and illness wise comes from chronic inflammation.

Speaker 1: (33:10)
I’d say, well, there’s, there’s no question about that. And the two big, the two big ones, let’s face it. Um, heart disease and cancer, they both, they both come from chronic, they can come from chronic inflammation for sure. And, um, as also as a retired dentist, I don’t know if I told you that when we first met, but I’m a retired dentist. Mm-hmm. , um, chronic inflammation. I’ll tell you something, almost everybody has inflammation in their mouth because they’re just, it’s not being treated properly. But that’s something that we’ve see and that, and that goes into, that goes into your system. It’s, you know, everything’s connected. You know, you know that tennis, and I don’t have to tell you that everything’s connected , and when you’ve got chronic inflammation in your mouth, whether it’s in your gums or wherever, it’s, it’s traveling through your bloodstream and it’s, it’s going other places.

Speaker 2: (33:55)
Interesting. Yeah. Well, the, the, the, where this really plays into my theory is that, um, so a, a big piece of this all kind of came together, um, those three years ago when I started the company, I had done a, a very high dose psilocybin trip and had this excruciating headache and nausea for the next several hours after it ended. Is

Speaker 1: (34:23)
This, is this the same? So just, oh, sorry. But is this the same trip your, your original psilocybin trip? Or is this a, a, a trip after that?

Speaker 2: (34:32)
This was after, so this was a week or so after my four day fast.

Speaker 1: (34:37)
Tell me about, so tell me about that psilocybin trip, if you don’t mind.

Speaker 2: (34:41)
. So I, I wanted to test a bunch of ideas I had about how to intensify the trip, and they all worked . So the first one was to take eight grams of mushrooms, which was just all I had. Um,

Speaker 1: (34:59)
Well, I’ll in itself, that’ll work. You don’t have to do it. You just take it. You don’t have to do anything else. Yeah,

Speaker 2: (35:05)
I, I took every food I knew of that would have, um, a positive impact on cognition. And then when I felt the, uh, um, the peak coming on, I got in an ice bath and . Um, and there were a few other things I did, uh, that were insignificant because when I sat down into the ice bath, it was as if my consciousness flipped inside out. And I was seeing myself from the perspective of my shower head and my shower head from the perspective of me and also everything from the perspective of everything. It was as if I had been popped into a hyper spatial sense of awareness. And there was also, uh, oh, one of my arms just went up into a, a mora and I felt like I was emanating this like, shape of a, a Buddha figure. And it was very multicolored. And then I also at the same time was looking at it, it, the only way I know how to describe it is that I was also perceiving all of this from a higher dimension, like a fourth dimension of awareness.

Speaker 2: (36:24)
And I could tell that because there was a gap between me and everything, and it was like this chasm of transparency and I could see the edges of all of reality where edges couldn’t and shouldn’t be, nor could they be seen. But there I was seeing them. And the, at the, the, the last thing was there was this infinite sense of bliss that I could turn the dial up and down on using my voice and I could make my voice go into possibly high falsettos to get there, . And so that was , that was it for the next few hours. And I don’t remember much of what happened after that until the, the, uh, the crash I guess, that I had to pay for it all with after.

Speaker 1: (37:14)
That’s a great story. And, and, um, if I could just share something with you that happened to me just the other day, I mean, cuz it’s funny when you said you just tried to take anything possible or tried to eat anything possible that would enhance the experience. Um, so the other day I just did my regular old microdose, which was, uh, 0.25 gram of, of course dried mushroom 0.25, which is small, it’s a micro dose. But at the same time, I took a little, and it’s, this is not, um, calculator mathematical, I don’t even know how much it was, but I took, let’s just say I took a swig, I took a swig from a little bottle of C B D that I have, and then at the, I also ate two, um, lion’s, main mushroom capsules, so probably 250 milligrams each, so probably 500 milligrams of that.

Speaker 1: (38:05)
And between the three things now I’ve, I’ve been microdosing for a year and a half, and with 0.25 grams, I generally can hardly feel anything at all. But with everything I took together, and I’d like you to explain this maybe if you know the answer. With everything I took together, I felt this microdose as very strong. Now I can’t say it was like a true psychedelic trip, but like the entire day I felt this level of energy and this aura around me that was just like magical. And I’ve never felt that with a microdose like that before. But having combined it with my stack of C, b, D and of lions, man, something happened there.

Speaker 2: (38:49)
Yeah, I, you know, I’m, I’m glad you bring this up because it also ties into what I was meaning to loop back, which is this third thing I say you can expect at the bar. So my, uh, oh

Speaker 1: (39:02)
Wait, maybe wait a minute. Maybe, maybe was the bar, is it possible that I, maybe this ties into everything this has sent me on a tremendous trip from micro

Speaker 2: (39:13)
Well, so to tie all of this together, including what you were saying, um, the bar is designed kind of on the side, wink, wink to enhance a psychedelic trip. Uh, one because everything in it is geared to be, uh, is neuronutrition or neuro supportive? It actually, I feel like I’m on a microdose when I eat a bar most of the time. Um, and it, uh, so with the i, the anti-inflammatory nature of it, this is my theory that I’ve been kind of alluding to. I think that when you are in a psychedelic expanded state of awareness and that awareness is expanded in its perception of your own experience of your body, um, which I I would say projects that experience to form this your psychological state in many ways. And so if you don’t have inflammation kind of sounding the alarm and so much of us have chronic inflammation that we’ve just grown accustomed to, if that dies down, um, the way I, I guess the way I would put this is that the place that the psychedelic is trying to take you to, it’s a much smoother road to get there.

Speaker 2: (40:38)
And so it’s much easier to get there and more quickly and you’re able to perceive it with so much more clarity and not have to deal with the, um, psychological output from the inflammation. And again, this is all my, uh, theory about what’s going on. And so, um, I think that that’s what happens. And I’ve gotten a lot of, if not everyone I’ve ever asked that tried the bar with any psychedelic, even cannabis had a much smoother and cleaner experience. And I think if you add C B D, um, your cannabinoid system, especially if it’s full spectrum C B D is so satisfied that you’re able to, um, without having to work for it drop into a parasympathetic state. Um, and then all of just the factors of relaxation that come with C B D. And so you have this kind of dual effect of the C B D relaxing your sense of tension on a micro level, and then you have the psilocybin relaxing your sense of suppression on a, a site neurological and psychological level.

Speaker 2: (41:54)
And so you’re kind of opening up the stops on both ends. Um, and and I think that, and I have experienced this in moments that our natural state, if a person is able to sort of rest in the default of a higher level of what’s possible with our bodies as they’ve, um, evolved to be, it would likely feel a lot like a mushroom trip. Um, with just that expanded sense of awareness and body sensitivity and embodiment and everything that comes with it. Um, cuz I’ve had moments meditating or just being an incredible experience where the sense of wholeness alone brought me into what you could say as an altered state, but maybe is just a more true state. And that to me is the big benefit of psychedelics, is they give us these reference points and we know that it’s something that’s possible. And so we begin to sort of trend towards that naturally.

Speaker 1: (42:56)
That’s incredibly interesting. Tenon, I mean really, um, I’ll, I’ll tell you what I’d like to do, if it’s okay with you, I I like to really get a lot deeper into, um, the, you know, the non psychedelic mushrooms and talk to you about those as far as, um, inflamma inflammation and cognitive, uh, repair or enhancement or whatever. And, um, there’s so many more questions I want to ask you about mushrooms, whether they’re psychedelic or non psychedelic, and also about your, your business and some other things that, that just came to my mind while I’m talking to you. Um, can we, would you be willing to come back for like a, like a, like a part two?

Speaker 2: (43:34)
Yeah, I would absolutely love that. That would be a lot of fun.

Speaker 1: (43:38)
I think, I mean, I think we could just keep this conversation going. You’re, you’re re I mean, I knew when I met you the other day, uh, super interesting guy and I knew you’d be able to just run with this and, and, um, but before we, before we go for today, could you please let our viewers or listeners know how they can get in touch with your, you or your company or if they wanna order some of these? I’ll tell you, it’s funny, I didn’t even realize the other day when I told you I did the 0.25 microdose and, and the other things I did along with it sent me just sailing, if that’s like the right word. Um, yeah, I didn’t realize that maybe the bar could have played. Now I don’t think I had part of your bar in the morning, but it’s very possible the day before I had, because I think I hiked the day before and I probably had part of, part of a bar the day before, which probably is still in my system. So I didn’t even think about that aspect of it. But that’s, I, I’d hate to see, or actually I love this, what would happen if I took a little bit of a larger dose and also introduced these same things that I had for the microdose. We gotta talk about this stuff more how to, but how to in the meantime, in the meantime, how do people find you, your website, your products, all of that stuff?

Speaker 2: (44:49)
Okay, yeah. Um, the website is magic mou.com. That’s magic m a GIC mgu. Then I have an Instagram magic dot mou, Facebook magic mou. You can email me tenon at Magic mou. Um, and right now the only physical location you can find me at is the, uh, Brighton Flea market of Big Cottonwood Canyon, which is one of the most beautiful places in Utah. So

Speaker 1: (45:21)
There’s, there’s more than, I’m really glad you brought that up cause I wasn’t, I I wasn’t even gonna talk about the flea market, but that’s where I met you about two. It’s, it’s every Sunday I think, right? Every Sunday. And um, so those of you that are either local to lake or can get to Salt Lake on, on vacation or you’re not that far, you could drive in Tenon was absolutely right. Um, the Cottonwood Canyons are perhaps some of the most beautiful canyons or beautiful areas, uh, geographically, geologically whatever, uh, that I’ve ever seen. And, and we’re, so we’re, we’re privy to have them right here. People travel from all over the world to see these canyons. Big Cottonwood canyon and little Cottonwood canyon. And so this flea market takes place every Sunday, basically all day long. I think, um, in Big Cottonwood Canyon, it’s a very top and it’s, it’s brightened ski resort and they kind of do like a little flea market in the parking lot. And that’s exactly where I met, where I met Tennison. So you say that’s the only place somebody could actually physically meet up with you right now?

Speaker 2: (46:22)
Right now, yeah. It’s a funny story and maybe we’ll get into it next time. Uh, I was in stores briefly at the beginning of this year and then had to pull everything back cause I needed to redo it. Um, and so within, I anticipate the next two to three months will start going into local stores and you know, then as the progression goes into regional and so on, um, I’ve, I’ve already spoken with a lot of the, the grocery stores around that people know about. So it’s only a matter of time.

Speaker 1: (47:01)
Well what I you, um, the, the, the product you had on your little table there that really caught my eye was the, um, what do you call it, the round little, um, is it like a truffled? What what is that exactly?

Speaker 2: (47:10)
Well, I’ve been calling them mou power balls, power

Speaker 1: (47:14)
Ball,

Speaker 2: (47:14)
Power balls, just the new, the new formulation of the bar. But right now I’ve gotta make them by hand and so they’re balls .

Speaker 1: (47:20)
Well, if you don’t mind me saying this, um, they, I, I bought one, only one. I should have bought more. They was, it was delicious. I, I, I ate half of it and immediately found, found my wife and had her eat the other half cause it was delicious then. So that was so good. I bought, um, I had like got a drink from you. What was that? Some kind of um, some kind of coffee with mushrooms, something in it. What was that exactly?

Speaker 2: (47:43)
Yeah, so I’ve, I’ve been making my own cold brew and uh, I’ve got these mushroom shots, which is just a powder blend. You only need about a tape or a teaspoon of it to put add to the coffee. Um, which it balances out all the negative side effects and enhances all the positive effects of coffee. So it’s kind of the perfect marriage. I compare it to avocados and toast. They need to be together.

Speaker 1: (48:08)
, , . It was really good. And then I like that so much and I like you, honestly, I liked you. I said, what the heck, I following a whole box of these .

Speaker 1: (48:19)
Anyway, that’s what I want. I wanted to have a little, have you as a guest because I I love talking to you. You’re like the real deal. Um, I I I I wanna mention you and your company cuz I think, I think your future with this thing could be fantastic. I’m super interested in this stuff, obviously. So I’m glad we got together. I’m glad we met at Brighton and I’m glad we’re able to do this even though you’re probably right now little, literally I could probably look at my front door and scream and you can and wave. Yeah.

Speaker 2: (48:46)
Yeah. How the rest of it

Speaker 1: (48:48)
. So let’s do this, let’s get you back. We’ll I, I’ve got so many more things I want to ask you and maybe next time we can even do live to figure out how to set up the camera shots, but maybe we could do it live in, um, in my living room or somewhere that might, that might work too. We’ll, we’ll, however we do it, we’ll do it.

Speaker 2: (49:03)
Sure, yeah. Sounds great.

Speaker 1: (49:06)
So thanks, thanks so much Tanon. I really appreciate you taking your time. Um, and we’ll, you and I will talk offline and we’ll, we’ll get another date for part two of this

Speaker 2: (49:15)
Thing. Okay. Awesome. Thank you David. I so appreciate it. It’s been a lot of fun.

Speaker 3: (49:20)
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Speaker 1: (00:00)
Hey there. Today I’m gonna share with you eight things that I felt every single day before I started Microdosing. So let’s get into it right now.

Speaker 1: (00:24)
Hey there, how are you? Welcome, Dr. Dave here Microdose U, and I really appreciate you being here, and this is a special episode, and some people might be asking me, Well, what, what exactly is a special episode? You seem to be doing one of these like almost every week, and that’s true. See, when I first started doing this audio podcast here, I just kind of, uh, used repurposed my, um, videos that I’ve got on my, on my Microdose u uh, Microdose U YouTube channel, and I just kind of turned them into an audio version, and they’re generally around anywhere from five minutes to 10 minutes long. But you all want something more than that. I know you ask me for it, I want to give it to you. So these special episodes tend to be a little bit longer. They’re more of a, uh, a longer length, and I go into more detail.

Speaker 1: (01:07)
So let’s see how this goes. And the special episodes might actually turn out to be the regular episodes. And by the way, after the episode here, um, make sure you meet up with this over in my new Facebook group. It’s a, it’s a great place where we have a lot of interaction. You can ask questions. Um, I’ve got other people there that if I’m not, if I’m not, I try to be there as much as possible. But if I’m not there, um, you’ll get great answers from some of my other experts and moderators. And it’s just a wonderful place. It’s a loving, caring place to be. So I’ll drop the, um, link in the show notes in the description. Um, please join us there. And remember the greatest gift you can give me, I don’t ask you for anything other than the greatest gift you can give me is a, a good honest review here.

Speaker 1: (01:49)
Uh, wherever you’re listening to the podcast, just go on your platform and it really does help the show. So let’s get right into it. Um, I’m Dr. Dave in case we haven’t met formally before. But, um, I wanna share with you eight things that I felt pretty much every single day before I started my microdosing, which was, at this point is probably about a year end, eight months ago, like closing in on, you know, over a year and a half ago. And I’ve had tremendous success. But before the microdosing, I would wake up almost every single morning and feel just like this anxiety that’s there now. I thought I slept fairly well, I mean, decent enough that why would, and you know, why would I wake up and have this anxiety when the day hadn’t even started yet? I could never figure that out, but it was a, a weird feeling.

Speaker 1: (02:45)
My heart would be beating faster. I’d just be like on edge. And it’s, it’s very hard to describe other than I can tell you. It was an anxious feeling that I knew shouldn’t have been there. And a lot of times this kind of just persisted into the, the day now when I started my, when I, when my docs started me on Lexapro, which is an antidepressant and anti-anxiety, and it’s an SSRI selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor type of pharmaceutical. It absolutely did help the anxiety some, but not a hundred percent. And I had to supplement some days if I really started feeling very anxious with a benzo. And that wasn’t good. I, that’s like the last thing I felt like doing is being on benzos. So it just, and, and sometimes also I would take a, even a, um, a very small amount of either C b, D or even small THC just to kind of get me through the day.

Speaker 1: (03:35)
It, it was not the way I wanted to feel, not the way I wanted to live my life, not the way I felt was, was normal, shouldn’t be like this, but it was. And I just didn’t know what to do except for what I was doing at that time, which was everything I just outlined to you. I had not started the magic mushroom regimen yet. So that’s the way I felt Also, um, depression. Now, my depression was never really bad, but it did get better and worse sometimes. Like I still to this day, remember, um, a day, it was a Saturday afternoon, my wife and I were walking from our house to into downtown Salt Lake, and I had nothing to be depressed about, Nothing to be sad about. My life was good. However, I just had this weird feeling something just wasn’t right. It, I don’t know exactly how to put it into words, but something didn’t feel right.

Speaker 1: (04:30)
It wasn’t that I was sad, but I just felt, God, how can I describe it? I guess, I guess the best way would be depressed. So again, my, um, doc ultimately put me on the Lexapro, and that did help some, but it, as far as I was concerned, it was just not a solution that I wanted to live with for the rest of my life. It, it worked. Sometimes it worked, sometimes well, sometimes not so well. I still had good and bad days, and I just knew that wasn’t the answer. So that’s why I was looking for something else. And ultimately, I would find the microdosing, but I wasn’t really quite there yet. I had brain fog. Um, what that means is sometimes I just couldn’t think clearly. You know, I just, I just, my cognitive ability just didn’t seem to be what it should have been at, at my age.

Speaker 1: (05:24)
At my age, I’m, I’m, you know, I was, I’m in my sixties, But let’s face it, your brain does not start dissolving away in your sixties, or it should not. And I’ve proven that because since my regimen of, of magic mushrooms, I am, I totally lost all the, um, brain fog, and I can think clear now than ever. But, but on a typical day, I just was kind of just going through the motions. Um, brain couldn’t think, right? It just, oh, it, it wasn’t fun. It, it, it, it was not the way I was supposed to live, nor was the way I wanted to live. Here’s another thing that I experienced almost every day when I would drive, I would, um, if I was driving long enough, a little bit more than just around town. So for example, um, I live in Salt Lake. I was driving up the canyon into Park City or on a highway for, um, a little bit longer than 10, 15 minutes.

Speaker 1: (06:19)
I would start to get into this trance where, and it was not a good trance. It was, it was not a good thing. It just, I just felt like I was almost in a hypnotic state. I didn’t feel good. My anxiety kicked in, and I just didn’t feel that it was good for me to drive. And the longer I would drive, the worse it would get. And yeah, my heart would start racing more. And if the weather was bad, I remember one time driving back down the canyon from Park City back down to Salt Lake, and, and I almost had an anxiety attack because it started snowing. It was dark. It was just a very, very horrible experience that I just don’t think anybody should ever have to go through. Something just wasn’t right. I hadn’t figured it out yet at that point, but that’s the way I felt.

Speaker 1: (07:02)
I felt uneasy driving, unsafe driving, not good, especially, um, in a weather condition or darkness or, um, a canyon road that just, um, it just, it just wasn’t good and it wasn’t right. I also felt a lot of, um, I, I guess the right word would be if this is even a wordly, unmotivated unmotivating, not motivated. That might be a better word. I don’t even know, But, but you get the point. I just, sometimes I just felt like I couldn’t do things. I ended up, uh, lying around the house a lot, laying on the sofa, tired. Um, sometimes I just didn’t even, I wasn’t comfortable even getting on the phone, uh, talking to people that I love and people that I normally love to talk with. I just, getting on the phone and having a conversation was, was difficult because it was stressful. It made me anxious.

Speaker 1: (07:58)
Um, my brain fog was, it made it difficult to have a good conversation. So it just, and the longer I talked on the phone with somebody, the worse it got. So I just, unfortunately, I ended up avoiding the phone a lot. And even again, this is really something that I’m not proud of and something that I’m not happy with. But, but even with loved ones, I just did not want to get on the phone often. And it just, um, I, I, I, I was honest with everybody. I said, I said, It’s just not a good time for me to talk on the phone. It’s just not good for me. So it, it was terrible. It was a really, really bad situation that I was in. Um, work as far as my un motivation or not being not motivated, I just couldn’t get things done. I wanted to make videos for my channel.

Speaker 1: (08:39)
I wanted to do writing. It just, it was very, very difficult to get anything done sometimes. And related to that also was, um, fatigue and insomnia. I, I told you in, in the last portion here that I just sometimes ended up just lying around the house. Sometimes it actually got even a lot worse that I would just lay down on the sofa fatigue, and in the middle of the day, just felt like I had to sleep for an hour to two hours, sometimes even three hours. It was horrible. Um, I was too tired sometimes to go out and do things. Um, at night, my insomnia kicked in, so it was either hard for me to get to sleep, or if I woke up to use the bathroom, say like one in the morning, midnight, somewhere in the middle of the night, sometimes it was very difficult for me to get back to sleep.

Speaker 1: (09:27)
And that created a vicious cycle because then in the morning, I’d be tired, I’d wake up. Most people are refreshed in the morning, but I would get up and I’d have to take a nap. Literally. I remember I would get up in the morning, um, let’s say it would be 7, 7 30 8:00 AM I’d come down, make some coffee, sit on the sofa, But then I would find myself just kind of going into this like stupor sense of feeling that I just need to take another nap. And I, I just woke up. It was really, really a horrible feeling. And I just felt like I, I didn’t even know what the answer was at that point. It was just, it, nobody had the answer for me. It was just really, really bad. Also, um, along with all this, I felt like I had a lack of libido.

Speaker 1: (10:11)
I just didn’t feel like I wanted to be intimate or, or, uh, just, you know, have any type of relationship like that. It just, it just didn’t feel like it was on the forefront of what I wanted to do. And it just, that makes life just not, not great. You know, when you just can’t do the things or you don’t feel like you want to do the things that you’re, that you want to do. It just, something’s not right there. And, and again, at that point, I hadn’t figured it out exactly yet, but this is the way I felt every single day of my life, or at least almost every single day, or at least many of these things off and on. Every day they alternated. Sometimes days were better, sometimes days were worse. But one of the worst things that happened to me was that I began questioning my health and began questioning how long am I gonna be around and how long am I gonna be able to live like this?

Speaker 1: (11:07)
Because I just felt my life was going downhill and nothing was getting better. And it was just, um, it wa I just, it just felt like it wasn’t the way that I should live or wanted to live, and I, I, I just didn’t know what to do. So that’s when I started researching. Again, I was on Lexapro that did start helping somewhat, but not enough for me. And I started researching solutions. And that’s when I found out about psilocybin and using magic mushrooms. And again, like you, if you’ve been listening to me for a while now, you know that I’ve been on this regimen of plant medicine with magic mushrooms for, uh, let’s just say, let’s see, 18, 19, 19, 20 months. Something in that, you know, going on two years, but not quite two years yet. Um, and they have totally changed the way I feel. Every single one of these eight bullet points that I just outlined, which were the anxiety, worry, depression, brain fog, driving, trans unmotivated, uh, fatigue, insomnia, lack of libido, questioning how much longer I had to do this.

Speaker 1: (12:22)
Um, and, and again, I never had suicidal thoughts. It, it’s not a suicidal thing, but I just questioned my health and how long I would actually be doing living like this. So it was just horrible. But then once I figured out the answer, the solution, the magic mushrooms, what they could do for me and how they could change my life, everything changed. And I’m sitting here this morning, I’m drinking a cup of coffee, and I’m in my house. I just got back from a little road trip. I’m gonna be going, um, up to the mountains and do a little skiing today. It’s just, my life has totally turned around and it’s awesome, but I don’t, I’m afraid to even think where I’d be if I hadn’t started this regimen of psilocybin magic mushroom. So my, um, thoughts that I’m gonna share with you today are the most important step and the most difficult step you can take.

Speaker 1: (13:24)
These steps are to get started. Because again, so many people that I share or, uh, my, my, um, journey with and, and they share theirs with me. And one of the most common things is I hear that I hear is they’re researching and thinking about it and doing it, and wondering whether they should do it, but they don’t get started yet. And that’s the thing that really worries me, because if I would’ve been in that situation and said to myself, Well, it looks good. I may do this, I don’t know. I’m not sure I need to ask more questions. I’m not positive. I don’t even know where I would be right now. It’s scary to think that because my life was just unraveling in a, in a very, very bad way in, in a way that I never, ever thought would happen to me. I’m one that at least as far as I know, never experienced these mental health issues and, and which turned into physical issues and, and crazy days, I I, when I was growing up, I never really experienced these.

Speaker 1: (14:26)
But now I see a lot of the things in my past that set the, set the groundwork for this to happen. I wish I would’ve known about this 40 years ago. I would’ve changed some things the way I did in my life. I would’ve recognized them. I would’ve, who knows what? I would’ve made a lot of changes. Let’s just say that. But I didn’t. It’s never too late, though. I urge you, please, if you can identify with what I’m sharing with you, if you could, if you have even some of the things that I’ve talked about today and you’re considering using Civil Simon or magic mushrooms, and again, I wanna stress, this is not medical advice. Um, I can’t give you true medical advice. This is my life journey. But you can listen to my life journey and see if it has, if you know, if you can, um, relate to any of it.

Speaker 1: (15:16)
And if so, then there’s a very good chance that if you follow what I did, it is likely to work for you as well. It’s the best thing I’ve done in my life, or at least the best thing that I can think of in the last decade or two, for sure. There’s no question in my mind. I wish you health, success, love, peace. You deserve all of this. I wish you a good life that you don’t have to deal with these mental health issues anymore, any longer, any, just, nobody should have to deal with this. So thanks for being with me. Um, this is microdose you again, let’s meet over the Facebook group. The link is in the description, the show notes. Please meet over there. We can chat about any of this. I’m so appreciative that I’m able to share this with you, and I’m also appreciative that you’re able to be here and listening to my story and hopefully it’s helping you. Until next time, I’m Dr. Dave. I do love you.

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Speaker 1: (00:00)
So many of you have told me that you’ve tried microdosing magic mushrooms and they’re just not working, and you’re frustrated. We’re gonna walk you through this right now. We’re gonna get you going.

Speaker 1: (00:32)
Hey there. How are you? Dr. Dave Microdose. You welcome back. How did you like that? Um, little opening bumper. I had little video bumper I, I put in there. Uh, it’s gonna be in my videos from now on until we change it. Tell me what you think. Make a little comment down there. Just let me know how you liked it. I appreciate that. So, um, okay, you are trying to microdose you have tried to microdose magic mushrooms and for some reason it is just not working. You’re feeling still, um, depression, anxiety effects from, uh, previous traumas, whatever it might be. It’s just not working. And you’ve heard all this hype and everybody, it’s, it’s worked for so many people and you’re really, really frustrated. So let’s talk about this and let’s get you going and let’s get you on a path that will, it will work.

Speaker 1: (01:17)
So, first and foremost, this is super important, and I know I’ve talked about this before, but it, it’s worth repeating because it is crucial. You need to watch the video entitled, I, I did this video a short time ago. It’s called The Absolute Beginner’s Guide to Microdosing Magic Mushrooms. It’s on my YouTube channel. I will make a little link down in the, in the, uh, in the show notes, in the comment, uh, the show notes, show notes would be better. Um, and direct you right there. It’s super important. It tells you from start to finish exactly how to do it, what doses, how often, how to know if your dose is right, and much, much more. It walks you through in a very systematic way. And doing it systematically is super important. I mean, you can’t just ask a bunch of people, Hey, I’m thinking about microdosing.

Speaker 1: (02:06)
Where do I start? Which dose should I start at? And people be throwing all kind of different answers to you, and, and you pick the one you like and you just start. That’s, that’s not the way you do it. Here’s an analogy. Suppose you had to go in for surgery somewhere in your chest or your abdomen, just totally making this up, but just play with me here and your surgeon, the night before, he said to some, some of his colleagues, he said, Hey, I’m, I’m doing this surgery tomorrow. Um, where do you think the best place to start the incision would be? And some people say, Oh, you know, go low. It’s a really, it’s a, you know, you should go low. Some people say, Oh, go do it right here. Do it right here. He’s gonna get like 20 different answers. And he’s gonna say, Well, you know, maybe I like this one the best.

Speaker 1: (02:47)
And, and it’s your body. And this surgeon is not sure exactly what to do. You wouldn’t like that, would you? Now that’s a pretty, um, extreme example, but it’s very similar. The surgeon is highly trained and he’s done, not only has he done this a lot, hopefully, but he’s gone to school and, and, and learned systematically, if you have this problem and he’s doing this surgery, here’s exactly what, how you do it from A to Z. This is how you do it. It’s the same thing with microdosing. Now, luckily, you’re not doing surgery, but there’s a way to do it. There’s a proper protocol, although there’s more than one proper protocol, but it’s not, it’s not a hit or miss thing. You don’t just start taking magic mushrooms and hoping for the best. No, it’s, it’s, please, please watch the video. Um, it will explain from start to finish exactly how to do it.

Speaker 1: (03:38)
Now, I will say this, it’s also much more than just ingesting magic mushrooms. I mean, okay, when you take a pharmaceutical, the purpose of that is to, um, change the way the serotonin is, uh, in your body and, and make you feel better. So you could be doing basically anything, and it’s probably going to make you feel better. It’s a pharmaceutical, um, over a period of time, it probably will, but then things start happening and there’s side effects. And you’re, you’re, you have to take these the rest of your life. And, and I was, I went that route and I didn’t like it. Oh, the results were pretty good. But, um, I didn’t wanna be on pharmaceuticals with side effects for the rest of my life. And God forbid, if I had to get off of them, I’d go back to exactly the way I’m feeling.

Speaker 1: (04:27)
Magic. Mushrooms sil sideman. It’s very different. It’s rewiring your brain. If you’re a computer person, think of it as a reboot. It’s changing the way your brain is structured. It does not happen overnight, but it does happen. So again, you’ve gotta do this systematically, and it’s not just popping a magic mushroom into your mouth and swallowing it and hoping everything’s fine. No, there are things that you have to do along the way as well. So, um, I was also thinking back, why did I have depression? Why did I have anxiety? And you need to be thinking the same way along the same route. And I, I, I urge you to go back and, and just try to think as deeply as you can. Chances are your anxiety and your, or your, and or your depression are not just strictly biochemical. That means there’s something messed up in your body and you’re not getting enough serotonin or something’s going on and, and you become depressed.

Speaker 1: (05:29)
No, chances are, um, I, in my opinion, uh, I’m not a trained psychologist or psychiatrist, but in my opinion, there’s at least a 90% chance that something happened or is happening in your life as far as some type of trauma, some type of episode, something happened or is going on that is causing you to feel like this. It’s not very common. Or you just start feeling depressed or anxious or something else, or have some type of, you know, a, a, uh, an issue. Um, and nothing triggered it. It’s, it’s, it’s possible, but it’s uncommon. Something has triggered this. So I urge you to sit down and go back and think, Now this is better. When you’re using magic mushrooms, you, it allows your brain to think more freely as far as that’s the, um, result that I got. Several months into my microdosing journey. I came up with a whole list of things, and I talked to my psychiatrist about this, and he said, Dave, this, you figure stuff out that it takes people 10 to 20 years to do on just talk therapy alone.

Speaker 1: (06:31)
And so these mushrooms must really be working. Yes, they do work, but you have to put the work in as well. What did I figure out about my life? If I share some things with you, it might help you at least a little bit, um, dive deeper into your life and just figure things out. Now again, you can’t fix the past, but realizing what happened, what the triggers were, um, if it’s something that is still going on to remove yourself from that situation, those are things that you need to understand and work on. So I’ll share just a couple things that, um, from my past that actually got me into this, um, situation of anxiety and, uh, depression and post traumatic situations and things like that. Well, um, some of them were actually, uh, things that were going on in my medically with me. So I, I discovered that I had obstructive sleep apnea.

Speaker 1: (07:27)
And sleep apnea is something that, I talk about this a lot in my videos, um, because it’s extremely important. 80% of the cases in the US at least go undiagnosed. And in the world, it might even be more than 80%, because we’re pretty advanced in that here. So I’m saying thinking in Europe or wherever you may be, it might even be more than that. But sleep apnea is some isn’t, is a medical condition where you don’t get enough oxygen, you stop breathing in the middle of the night, multiple, multiple times. And if you don’t think this message with your body, um, then you’re wrong. It does. It was raising my blood pressure. It was absolutely making me anxious. It was causing depression. So things like, that’s something I discovered. But yes, you’ve gotta take care of that. Also, you can’t just take magic mushrooms and have all these other things going on in the background that are eating away your body.

Speaker 1: (08:16)
You can’t do that. Um, something else, um, I was, I was vegan for seven years, and I discovered that at first it was really good, and it was cool when I was telling everybody I was vegan, like all vegans do, of course. But you know, you can do that all day long, but your body and science know the truth. And I was missing. I would, over many years, seven years, I was starting to be depleted or missing some nutrients, some important nutrients in my body. I can’t even tell you what they were. It was, we don’t know. But I was slowly, slowly, slowly, uh, starting to feel horrible. I was tired all the time. I was anxious. I just didn’t feel like I had the energy to do things. I was getting injured a lot. This contributed to my overall problem. I stopped being vegan.

Speaker 1: (09:02)
Now, anybody out there that’s vegan, I apologize. You know, my body is important to me and I, and, uh, we’ve been eating animal products, humans have been eating animal products for, um, since the beginning of time. And if you hate me for losing the veganism, you, I apologize. But I did that and I start, I did start feeling better and healthier. Um, I also think that I had covid back probably right around the beginning of covid. This is just my theory, but I think that also start, you know, sometime in spring of 2020. And I think that really started wreaking havoc on my body. Anything that I had going on, like being vegan, the sleep apnea and more that was causing it to be even worse. And it was really, really horrible. And I felt, I felt just terrible. Also, not being in the right place in my business life, I just felt like I had, I was not going in the direction I wanted to and, and I was feeling a lot of stress and things like that.

Speaker 1: (10:00)
And that was also eating away at my body. So those are, um, four things that I realized that, um, were going on presently at, at that time. But also, I also thought about trauma from my first marriage was eating away at me, or had eaten away at me in the past for sure. Also, um, being raised in a, um, in, in a, in a, in a Jewish family, in a Jewish community, and with a very, uh, kind of, uh, uh, overprotective Jewish mother that all this stuff comes into play. Now again, we can’t change the past, but at least we can recognize it and figure out where a trauma is coming from. And then the magic mushrooms help repair that trauma. So once you got that all thought about and figured out, I recommend doing it concurrently while you are on your microdosing journey. You don’t have to wait.

Speaker 1: (10:51)
I mean, in fact, it’s like I said, it’s better done while you are microdosing. These things will start to come to your mind and you will be able to figure them out. Now, if you’re in, not only medically, but if you’re in a bad situation now with either, um, a relationship or your job or business or, uh, friends or, or it could be anything. Again, I want you to think deeply. This stuff will come to you and you need to make the proper changes. So in other words, if you’re microdosing magic mushrooms, but you’re in a horrible relationship or your, um, job, you just can’t stand going in, um, every day or, or you have children that are giving you trouble and issues it all again, all this stuff comes into place. You’ve got to, as you learn and as this comes to the forefront in your brain, you’ve gotta start taking care of this as well.

Speaker 1: (11:42)
Again, you, it’s not just a pill that you take and then your life stays the same and you hope for the better. It doesn’t really work like that. This is supposed to improve your entire life, your entire existence, and it will, but you have to put the work in. Now, some other things I’m going to recommend, uh, again, I’m assuming that you have watched the video, the Absolute Beginners’ Guide to microdosing match mushrooms, because again, that’s gonna, that’s gonna, I’m not talking about dosage here. What’s, what’s strains or I’m not talking about and, and how long you need to do it. That’s all in that video. So the, and I’m not gonna repeat myself there, but it’s, again, it’s crucial, crucial, super important. Now, assuming you’ve done everything I’ve talked about up to now, I’m going to recommend at least two things on a daily basis.

Speaker 1: (12:30)
Number one, turn off the news. Do you want me to repeat that? Number one, turn off the news. The news isn’t good. The news is not all real. Now, I’m not a conspiracy theorist because I, you know, I do believe a lot of it, but, but, but the way it’s being slanted and depending on what news source you’re getting it from, it’s, it’s exaggerated. It’s not necessarily correct. It’s, it’s, you’re hearing one side, it’s turn it off. It doesn’t matter at this point. Um, the world is the way the world is. I’m not saying don’t care about the world. I’m not saying don’t care about whatever country you’re in. I’m not saying don’t care about things. You can still care, you can still vote, you can still be, you can still be a little bit up on some issues, but watching the news and, and obsessing over it on a daily basis and worried about who’s gonna win this election, what’s gonna happen here?

Speaker 1: (13:24)
It’s really horrible and it’s eating away at your body. And if you don’t believe me, you, you gotta start. Please trust me. I, I, again, I’ve done it both ways as soon as I’ve removed the news from my daily life, and yes, that includes financial markets. Don’t be looking to the stock market every day to see what your portfolio is. It’s there, it’s gonna be fine. If it goes down, it’s gonna come back up. Don’t worry. But when we start obsessing and worrying and burying ourself like deep into this world of, of bad news, bad financial markets, tough economies, uh, recessions, all it, it does eat away at your body. And you might not believe me, but I’m, it does. There’s no way it can’t. Okay? So, so turn off the news, Please turn off all that stuff. All those horrible negative outside forces do that.

Speaker 1: (14:19)
If you, if you don’t do some of these things I’m asking you to do, you’re not going to get, you’re likely not gonna get the results that you’re trying, trying to achieve. So again, I’m here, even though you might not want to do some of this, if you just say, Okay, I’m gonna listen to Dr. Dave, you know, the worst thing that can happen is after a few months, none of this stuff works. And then I haven’t really lost anything cuz it wasn’t working anyway. But the upside is it will work. And then that’s just, trust me, that is the likely upside, the most likely upside. The other thing I’d like you to do is every single morning I’d like you to start off with a, um, some type of positive mantra. Meditation, uh, yoga, watching comedy of, of vi videos, of comedy. All this stuff really starts to wire your brain for the day to be positive.

Speaker 1: (15:07)
I say a positive mantra every single morning. I say, Here’s exactly what I say. It’s really easy. I say it out loud, I write it down, whatever I want to do, but I say it’s a good day, it’s a beautiful day, it’s a positive day. I am positive and I will stay positive. I am centered and I will stay centered. And I have a shield around me protecting me from negative and bad. If you just say this every single morning, along with some gentle yoga, maybe a little bit of meditation, maybe a little of, um, you know, um, introspection, whatever you wanna do, prayer. If you pray, there’s no wrong, there’s no real, right? Just calm thinking, positive affirmations. Again, it’s the worth you need to put in to get this stuff to work. And those are the suggestions I have for you. If your microdosing is not working.

Speaker 1: (16:03)
Now, if you are in a group, it’s a small group of people that you’ve done all of this and you’ve given it quite a while, you’ve given it several months and you just don’t feel any change whatsoever and you’re still depressed and, and things are, things are rough, um, then you might need to take the next step, which microdosing just might not be enough for you. It might be too slow. And it is possible. Micro dosing does not work 100% of the time. So if you are still in that category, af after you’ve given it everything you’ve got and tried everything that I’ve told you, then you might be a candidate to, for macro dosing, for larger doses of magic mushrooms. And there’s nothing to be ashamed about. The the goal is we wanna fix you, we wanna get you going, we want you to feel better.

Speaker 1: (16:51)
I want you to feel better every single day. And remember, this is not medical advice. This is just my experience, what I’ve observed over the last year and a half plus or so. So if microdosing is not working, you might be a candidate for larger doses. And what I want to do is stop here. But I do want to tackle that, um, in another episode because again, my goal is to get you feeling better. It doesn’t matter how we go about it with magic mushrooms, uh, might be microdosing, it might be larger. But again, I want you to feel better. That’s my goal here because I know what it’s like to feel horrible every day. I’ve been through it, I’ve been through it, guys, and it’s, it’s not fun. So we’ll stop it here again, if you’re, um, I appreciate you being with me here. If you haven’t subscribed, please subscribe, make a comment, give me a, like, it helps the channel and the, and the better the channel does, the, um, the more people we can reach all over the world and help our fellow human beings start to feel better once and for all. Okay, Say goodbye. I do love you. I’m Dr. Dave and this is microdose. You.

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Here is the transcript to today’s episode:

Speaker 1: (00:00)
How long will it take before magic mushrooms really start working and I feel better, I feel back the way I should feel? Well, this is the most commonly asked question I get, or at least one of the very most commonly asked questions. And we’re gonna talk about that right now.

Speaker 2: (00:31)
Right now.

Speaker 1: (00:33)
Hey there. Welcome back to Microdose You. Yeah, I’m Dr. Dave. Thank you so much for being with me. I really appreciate you. This, there’s a special episode for, um, you guys listening to my audio podcast. Every once in a while, I’m gonna throw in a special, it’s gonna be a little bit longer than what we, where we normally go. And I’ve got a lot of great information for you. And yes, um, among the most commonly asked questions, this is one of them. How long will it take before I see it start feeling better? Or how long did it take you Dr. Day before you started feeling better? And I will say this, So, um, this is not medical advice and a lot of this, I’m just sharing my own journey, but it doesn’t really matter how long it took me because everybody’s different. Everybody feels different.

Speaker 1: (01:15)
If you give somebody, or you give a group of people, let’s say a hundred people, the the same medication and the same dose at the same time, um, it will affect many people very differently. So there’s not one rule or not one thing I can tell you that say, Okay, you are definitely gonna feel better by day 14. Um, now I just made that one up, so don’t hold me to that. But, but, um, it, it, it really, it really does depend, and I wanna just share this with you right from the start. If you have not listened to my podcast episode called The Absolute Beginner’s Guide to Microdosing Magic Mushrooms, I, I would really like you to go listen to that as soon as you finish listening to this one, because it’s one of the most important and comprehensive podcast episodes I’ve ever made.

Speaker 1: (02:03)
And almost every single day I hear questions such as, Well, how much should I start with how much, how many grams or how many milligrams of magic mushrooms should I start? I’ve never done this before. It’s super important. There’s, I will tell you this, there’s not just one dose that you could say, everybody just start with this and you’re gonna be fine. So I go about systematically explaining what you should start with, but then how to evaluate to see, um, if and when you need to raise it and what you need to look for and things like that. So it’s very, very important. And I’m gonna rec recommend you listen to that, uh, the Absolute Beginner’s Guide to Microdosing Magic Mushrooms. But back to the original question, how long will it take before you start feeling better? So one thing I wanna share with you, and this is, this is really important, and I want you to really try to understand this.

Speaker 1: (02:59)
You did not start feeling bad in one day or in one week. Now, whatever you may have, what, uh, uh, not episode, what issues you might have. Um, be it, be it depression or anxiety or, uh, T s D or some type of maybe like eating disorder or, uh, uh, social anxiety or what, you know, the list is very long. You be, um, but, but for, but for one reason or another, you found yourself here. And likely, unless you’re just super, super curious about this topic, likely you are hurting in some way. You’ve got something going on, and probably it’s some form of depression and or anxiety. That’s the most common reason people gravitate to listen to me and to look into microdosing. Now again, there could be a million other reasons, but that’s the most common. And you, I will say, not only will they help you, but you’ll, you’ll get a lot of other benefits as well.

Speaker 1: (04:03)
You’ll just have a, a, a, a different outlook on, on life and what you see around you in the world and, and the universe. And, and it sounds kind of cheesy and maybe like new agey, but, but you really will have a different outlook. And probably, and, and this is a good thing, a, a different outlook than your friends who have never used magic mushrooms. I, now, I, I will tell you, I see things totally differently. I look at life differently. Uh, my days are very different in a, in a very, very good way. Really good way. But the original question, How long will all this take until I feel better? So again, getting back to my original thing, it, it didn’t happen overnight. It likely took year. You don’t realize this, but it likely took years and years and years of things going on in your life and in your body to get you to where you are now.

Speaker 1: (04:57)
So it may not be a quick fix. Now, there are some people that say, the first time I microdosed I started feeling better. And it was just, and it went, got better from there. It just kept getting better. And, and I will tell you, I am one of those people. I’ve been microdosing for one and a half years, and I can still remember the very first time I took a microdose, um, that day. And again, I say I, I do want to make this clear. It, it could have been some type of placebo effect, but I’ll take it. Cause I felt better. I felt better like right away that day. Now, I, I didn’t feel that I was like cured, but I felt better. I felt a lot better. And what that means is that my, if you can picture like a line on a graph.

Speaker 1: (05:47)
So from day one, after I microdose started getting a little better, so the graph starts going a little higher, higher, higher, day to day, better, better, better. Um, and then fast forward to one and a half years, I’m like, my line, or my point is, is way up there, way up there compared to where I started, I was able to get off of my, um, antidepressant. I was able to get off my occasional use of, um, benzo, cuz sometimes the antidepressant just didn’t cut it. And I’d have to take a benzo because that’s the only way I could really feel like acceptable during a day. So I was able to get off the benzo pretty quickly. And then nine months later I started weaning off of my antidepressant. Cuz I just felt really, really, really good. And my, again, thinking about it as a graph, I’m, I’m making signals with my hands, but you can’t see my hands be, this is audio.

Speaker 1: (06:39)
The graph, the chart is getting better, better, better, better, better, better going up, up, up, up, up. Now on the other hand, there are some people that start microdosing and they really don’t feel a big change right away. Now, some people, if that’s the case or just quitters, they just, This isn’t working, I’m gonna stop. I don’t recommend that because again, life is not about easy, quick fixes. Life is, it’s not real life. When you see people doing things and, and it looks like they’re like super successful or wealthy or they lost weight, um, you think they did it overnight. But in most cases now, there are some exceptions, but in most cases people have to work long and hard and not give up to get to where they want to be. And microdosing is not an exception. So your graph could be kind of like flatline for a little while.

Speaker 1: (07:35)
Maybe there’s not a difference, I’m just making this up. It maybe for the first month, there’s not a big difference. Maybe it just kind of goes on and on and you’re still taking your, your medication, whatever that might be, um, along with your microdosing. But you don’t really see much of a difference. And your line is straight, straight, straight, straight, straight. But then there comes a point where, again, making this up, but let’s say one month later or two months later, you, something kicks in, you say, Wow, I’m really starting to feel better. And so then picture the graph, it starts going up. Uh, it, it was flat for a long time, but then it starts going up, up, up and better and better. And then over time it’s really better. Your graph is way up there. Now that’s not to say there couldn’t be, Somebody asked me, I think I did a livestream last night actually, and somebody asked me, uh, Dr.

Speaker 1: (08:22)
Dave, was there a point in your microdosing for the one and a half years so far, was there a point where your graph or the way you felt started going down a little bit and then went back up again? Were there ever any like really tough times? And it was a really good question and I had to think about that for a second. But in the one and a half years that I was, um, microdosing, uh, no, it, it never, once it started getting better, it never got worse. And then came and kind of like the stock market, like the stock market generally goes up, but then there are bear markets and times where there’s some type of something going on in the world. And it goes down. Like with Covid for example, the stock market was going up, up, up and then Covid, um, it went way down, way down.

Speaker 1: (09:11)
But then a few months later, maybe within six months, it started going way up again. So the overall net effect was up, up, up, up, up. But there were like peaks and valleys. It went down sometimes too with mine. No, it really ne with my microdosing, no, it never really went down. But that’s not to say that yours won’t. I’ve spoken to people that sometimes they just have a bad week, you know, we’re still human beings and, and things happen and we have feelings and, and um, although there’s a, a general sense of rewiring or rebooting of the brain, which is a good thing and rewiring in a good way. But there are setbacks sometimes and things that can happen. And sometimes your graph may go down a little bit, dip down a little bit, but then it will recover and go up, up, up further than it’s ever been.

Speaker 1: (10:00)
So I’m speaking of stock market language and financial language. I’m very bullish , those the view that are, you know, financial people, I’m very bullish, um, very positive about what magic mushrooms can do to what they’ve not only done for me, but what they can do for you. And anybody that’s listening or, or, or you know, your friends or family, whoever it might be, I am really, really convinced that these are the answer to not only feeling better, but to have a totally, totally different outlook on life. So again, getting back to our question, this is super important. How long does it take? Well, again, like I said, it depends, but I wanna share this with you in my, during my, uh, one and a half year journey. Cause that’s where I am right now. A little bit over one and a half years now, cuz time keeps marching on, it doesn’t stop for us, right?

Speaker 1: (10:54)
Um, during that journey, I’ve also worked on other things. So it’s not just a matter of me or anybody else just eating mushrooms or consuming mushrooms several times per week and then kicking back and say, Oh, everything’s gonna be fine. No, you, I looked into a lot of other things. First of all, I did continue seeing my doctor, my psychiatrist for my mental health. I continued seeing him. But I will tell you, it got to the point where we both looked at each other and said, and he said to me, even, and I’ve talked about this earlier, he said to me, Dave, what you’ve learned and what you’ve accomplished from these magic mushrooms from microdosing, it will, it would’ve taken you. And it takes my patients years and years and sometimes decades or more to get where you’ve been with the rewiring of your brain from the magic mushrooms.

Speaker 1: (11:51)
And that made me feel so good because again, I’ve talked about this before, but, but talk therapy, I think, you know, it could be good for some people. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, but it’s very, very slow and it’s usually best used as an adjunct to something else because talk therapy alone, I, I, I’m sorry, I’ve just never seen talk therapy alone. Like totally turned somebody’s life around and now they’re feeling better every day just, just because of talk therapy. Again, it can help, but it’s not the, it’s not the do all end all. It’s, it’s really not. So in my journey with microdosing magic mushrooms, I looked into so many things. Um, I, I, there’s, there’s no ambassador for your health better than you are. And for my health, there’s no ambassador better than I am. Now, I have a team of doctors that I work with, one of ’em being a psychiatrist, but I also work with my family practice, you know, my primary care.

Speaker 1: (12:48)
Um, you know, I’ve got, I’ve got different doctors that I see if I need them for certain things. Um, and by the way, this is a real quick aside, but this is, this is, again, this is important. Um, I threw up, No, that doesn’t sound good. I didn’t throw up, I threw, I threw a question up. , I threw a question on my YouTube channel. Um, I think it was just yesterday. Yesterday, the day before. Um, the question was, have you shared with your doctor your microdosing journey, basically, have you told your doctor that you’re using matching mushrooms? And what do you think the percentage was of people that, um, answer answered that and said, Yes, I’ve shared this with my doctor. Do you have a guess? What would your guess be if you had to guess what percentage of people that kind of in our group here that follow me and listen to the podcast and watch the YouTube channel and, um, or on the Facebook, by the way, Facebook group.

Speaker 1: (13:39)
Um, I started this, um, a week or two ago and it’s really growing. And, um, in between episodes here, if you want to hang out with me and I’ll answer questions, um, I’ll put a link to that Facebook group in the show notes here, because it’s, it’s really something that’s, that’s working out very well. And it’s a place where we can all kind of hang out together and we can discuss things and, and talk about, you know, issues and answer questions. It’s, it’s really great. It’s called microdose You. Um, it is a group, it’s not a page, it’s a group on Facebook. And again, just click the link in the show notes and you’ll get right there. And, um, and that’ll be great to hang out with you, but only, okay, what was your guess? What percentage of people share this journey with their doctor?

Speaker 1: (14:24)
If you guessed 50%, five, zero, or 50%, you’re wrong. Guess what? It’s 15 to 16%. Last I looked at the poll, it’s still ongoing, but last I looked at the poll, it was right around 15 to 16% of you are sharing this with your doctor. Personally, I think that’s not a good move because, um, so I shared this with two of my doctors already, and the response I got from them, from them was, was nothing short of super, super positive. Any doctor these days, even though yes, it is illegal in most areas that are, I’m reaching here, it’s illegal to use psilocybin. I get that, but forgetting about that first, second, most doctors understand that this is a, an up and coming, uh, quickly emerging, um, way to treat mental issues such as, uh, depression. Uh, you, you know, the whole thing, depression, anxiety, the whole, the list goes on.

Speaker 1: (15:28)
I’ve said it a million times, you know that, um, why wouldn’t you discuss this with your doctor? Why wouldn’t you tell him or her? Is it that you’re embarrassed, afraid illegal? They’re not allowed, they’re not going to turn you in. They’re not allowed to do that. This is confidential. It’s patient doctor confidentiality, and they’re not allowed to call the police on, and nor nor would they, why would they do that? Um, I’ve had great, great, um, conversations with my doctors about this, and they’re, they’re all in and they, even though they might not do it themselves, they understand it. Um, they’re positive about it. They’re, they’re, they’re in favor of it. Um, and if you, if you have a doctor that you tell that you’re doing this, and the doctor, um, says, Well, no, I don’t want you doing this. Um, I would ask why point blank.

Speaker 1: (16:20)
Um, and I would, if they, if they’re adamant about that, and if you don’t feel it’s a good reason, like you just sh I just don’t think it’s good. You shouldn’t do it. It’s a drug, you shouldn’t do it, then I would look for another doctor, because most doctors that are really up on this type of stuff, um, understand it and see that this has tremendous potential. So for a doctor to say, No, this is crazy. This is, uh, this is something you need to stay away from, it’s snake oil, it don’t believe it, it’s new age, then I would, I would probably not go to that doctor. I would want a doctor that’s more progressive and understands what’s, what’s going on. So what did I work on during my microdosing and what do I still work on? Um, something that’s very, very important is sleep.

Speaker 1: (17:12)
And nobody really talks about that. That much mean people, Oh, you gotta get a good night’s sleep. But let me tell you something, sleep is really, really important and extremely serious. If you’re not getting not only the right amount of hours of sleep, but the proper sleep, meaning the proper amount of deep sleep, um, you don’t ha you’re not waking up due to some obstruction like sleep apnea, which by the way, I have, I was diagnosed with that and I never knew it. And so I’ve really looked into my sleep and learned a lot and worked with it. And I am sleeping through the night now at the very most. I’ll get up once in the middle of the night to go use the bathroom, but generally speaking, I sleep through the night. Um, seven and a half hours is like the goal. It’s like the, it’s the sweet spot.

Speaker 1: (17:58)
So eight is okay, and seven is okay, but if you’re sleeping less than seven or more than eight, it’s actually not good for your health. Like you would think that, oh, if, if seven and a half or eight hours of sleep is really good, if I get 10, I’m gonna be super healthy. No, it doesn’t work like that. It’s actually, it’s actually quite bad for your health. Look that up. Look that up. Um, people are shown to have more heart problems, um, and, and things like that if you, if you get too much sleep. So check that out. But, but my point is, I’ve been working on a tremendous amount of things in my own, for my own health in my, with my body. Sleep is a major one. I’m now using a a C P A P machine. Uh, it’s actually a, a slightly different version of a C pap called an as V.

Speaker 1: (18:44)
Um, which assists me during the night when I would stop breathing because of my sleep apnea. And it’s been a game changer. Now, I’m not saying that you have sleep apnea, I don’t know, but I will tell you this, 80%, it’s very prevalent, at least here in the us and I’m, I have no reason to believe it’s not prevalent all over the world because we’re all humans come from the same place. Um, 80% of the cases of sleep apnea, 80% are undiagnosed. That means out of all the people on the planet that have sleep apnea, only 20% know about it. And probably a small percentage of that actually do something about it. It’s really scary. And obstructive sleep apnea or, or sleep apnea in general, whether, whether it’s obstructive or uh, central or whatever it might be, um, is a very, very serious issue that many people have that don’t know it.

Speaker 1: (19:39)
How do you know if you have it? We’ll, talk to your doctor and, and just ask for a sleep study. Usually insurance covers it and it’s, it will tell you a lot about your sleep and about your health. Super important. Um, should everybody have one? I I don’t know the answer to that, but certainly if you’ve got a couple extra pounds on you, if you feel that you’ve got some anxiety and depression, if your blood pressure is up a little bit, um, or a lot, um, if you’re sleepy during the day, sometimes if you feel that you have to, you’re tired, you, uh, if you feel like you almost wanna fall asleep behind the wheel, just all then I would, I would get tested. I would have a test for sleep apnea. Talk to your doctor about that. But I worked on that. I’ve been working on my eating program, but what I eat, what I put into my body, um, exercise, um, I’ve been doing a, um, a mental exercise every sing a men, you know, I do physical exercise, a lot of that, but I do a mental exercise every morning.

Speaker 1: (20:40)
Um, and I start off when I wake up in the morning, uh, with a very positive mantra, and I say something like, It’s a good day. It’s a beautiful day, it’s a positive day. I am positive and I will stay positive. I am centered and I will stay centered. And I have a shield around me protecting me from negative and bad. I would say that 10 times to myself or out loud, it’s better out loud. Or I would write it down every single morning. Now I don’t do it every morning now because I’ve done it so much. I’m, I’ve kind of flipped that switch and I, it’s one of the reasons I have a totally different outlook on life Now, try that. Go back and rewind. If, if rewind is the right word these days, I don’t even know. Go back to that where I said that and mark it somehow, or write it down and try saying that every single morning.

Speaker 1: (21:31)
And it’s very powerful. If you at least write it down once, it’s very, very easy. You’ll, you’ll memorize it in a second. It’s a good day. It’s a beautiful day. It’s a positive day. I am positive and I will stay positive. I am centered and I will stay centered. And I have a shield around me protecting me from negative and bad. If you do just that every morning along with your microdosing or you don’t even have to microdose to do that, you will, in about 30 days, you will flip this switch that you never knew existed. You’ll feel totally different about things. And also it really does help if you first thing in the morning along with that, well, you can’t do it exactly the same time, but either before or right after. Uh, watch something very funny on a video. Watch something funny, like, like some type of comedy, some type of comic, some type of cartoon that might be funny.

Speaker 1: (22:22)
Um, just for five or 10 minutes, that’s all. And if you don’t have that kind of time to put into your health every single morning, then what kind of results are you expecting? Are you expecting this just all magic and it’s just gonna, you eat a little magic mushroom, it’s gonna, everything’s gonna change in your life? Well, it’s gonna help you. The magic mushroom will help you a lot. I don’t wanna downplay that, but you’ve gotta do the work alongside of it to get better, to feel better. How would it feel to wake up every morning and you get outta bed and you just kind of float through your day in a, in a very good way. Like just there’s, there are no, there no like terrible issues that come up. There’s nothing that’s bothering you. How would you, how would you like that? Now again, we’re, we’re all human.

Speaker 1: (23:11)
And if like somebody, for example, if somebody very close to you passes away, you’re going to be sad. And that’s totally fine. We have emotions. You want to be sad, you’re gonna feel that, but you’re not gonna let your inner voice, the things that are bothering you now, you’re not gonna let that inner voice and all these crazy things, you’re not gonna let that bother you anymore, ever. And this is the start to you feeling better every single day for the rest of your life. So, circling back, Dr. Dave, but how long does it take? I don’t know it, When it happens, it happens, and you will know it, it will happen. So when it happens, please drop me a line. Let me know. Even if it’s a year from now, I’m here, I’ll be here. I’m God willing, I’ll be here. , I’m not that old.

Speaker 1: (24:06)
I’m old, but I’m not that old . So my, my email address is, uh, is, what is it? It’s, it’s run Dr. Dave at Gmail run. Dr. Dave, it’s r u n d r d a v e, all one word. Of course run. Dr. Dave all case. I don’t think it’s case sensitive either. But, um, run Dr. dave@gmail.com. Love to hear from you. Just let me know how you’re feeling, let me know how you, how this is resonating with you. And, um, before I leave you, just something super important. If you listen all the way, you’re engaged, I mean, I don’t mean engaged to be married. I mean, you’re en you’re engaged with me in, in, in this, in this topic. You, you want to do something. So one way you could just help me out a little bit. It’ll take you five seconds. Go on to wherever you’re getting your podcasts, Apple podcasts or whatever, and just gimme a, gimme your review, gimme your rating and review.

Speaker 1: (24:59)
It really does help the show and it does help more when you do that, especially if it’s a good one, which I hope it is. Um, but I want it to be honest. But, but if you do that, and when you do that, it just helps the podcast, uh, grow a little bit more by they, they show it to more people. If it’s got a better rating, more rating, more people listening, show it to more people. And that all that means is I can help more people like you that are hurting, that need help, that don’t know where to turn to that just need something in their lives that to change them and make them feel better. That’s all I ask. So that was it for today. I, I hope you enjoy and thanks for being with me. Thanks for sticking till the end. I am Dr. Dave, this is Microdose you. I’ll talk to you soon.