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Special Episode – I Went Back to My Past Yesterday For One Hour

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Speaker 1: (00:00)
I’m guessing it took about 15 or 20 minutes. Um, but once it happened, it was unbelievable. I’m gonna share with you right now.

Speaker 1: (00:28)
Hey there, how are you? Dr. Dave, welcome back to Microdose U I really appreciate you and I have an incredible story for you today. So, I’ve talked to you in the past about, um, going to a, um, a float spa, a sensory deprivation, um, soak in a, in a, um, in a body of water that you just float in complete darkness. And I went the other day and my experience there was unlike any other that I’ve ever had. And I want to explain this to you. I wanna describe the whole thing to you right now. So, um, you know, a short time ago, I, I, I, I showed you, I, I, I explained to you exactly what a, a sensory deprivation float tank is. Um, and I went there yesterday and, um, before going about two hours in advance, I consumed, what was it? So it was not very much, but it was, let’s say, um, I took a bite of a piece of chocolate.

Speaker 1: (01:27)
So it was probably about 0.3, 0.4 grams of, um, magic mushrooms in that piece of chocolate, roughly 0.3, 0.4. Um, and then on top of that, I had, um, about, what was it? It was about, um, 15, 18 milligrams of cannabis. Um, seems to me from my past experience is like a, just a, like a perfect combination. So, um, went into the float spa, the float tank, and this time I did it a little bit differently. So in the past, what I’ve done is I’ve, um, kept some starlight on the ceiling, which has a really cool effect. It just looks like you’re in space, cuz the stars are kind of shining down on you. And I also have listened to music in the past, but this time, and, um, I give credit to somebody that’s, that was listening. Um, they called me out on this a short time ago.

Speaker 1: (02:19)
I told them that I listened to music and I, I have stars on the ceiling. They say, well, that’s not actually, that’s not actually complete sensory deprivation because you’re, you’re using two of your senses right there, uh, hearing and vision. And so I said, you know something, you are right. Next time I go, I’m gonna turn everything off. It’s gonna be, I’m gonna float in complete darkness, complete darkness. There’s not one iota of light anywhere. And I did this. And, um, the result was pretty darn incredible. So, if I could describe this, um, I’m floating and, and I didn’t, of course, I’m not looking at a clock. I don’t have my watch on, and the time is totally just meaningless when you’re floating in a, in a float tank. But, um, if I could just guess, I would say the first 10 minutes or so I’m floating.

Speaker 1: (03:07)
It’s very blissful. It’s very nice. It’s comfortable, but, but nothing’s really happening yet. But it’s, it’s, it’s still great. But then I think probably after about 10, or, and this is a one hour float by the way. Uh, they time it, you don’t have to worry about the time, um, when it’s over the, the light comes on and then your session is over. Um, but I would say roughly at about the 10 to 15 minute point, I started going back in time and I was reliving kind of like a lot of scenes and a lot of things from my childhood. Now, let me go back for a second, because, um, since I’ve experienced this, um, uh, depression and anxiety and, and all the other things that have come along with it that kind of really messed with my life over the past several years, um, I, I, I started believing that my childhood was, was not good.

Speaker 1: (04:05)
It was not happy. Um, a lot of things were just very weird in my childhood. I just kind of, I kind of just got by. But, but, um, I felt pretty strongly about this until yesterday when I floated and I actually went back to my childhood. And I noticed that, and I mainly went back to, uh, uh, when I was about roughly in the 9, 10, 11, 12 year range. Um, I could vividly feel like where I was. And I, I, and, and that’s what I was experiencing, and I will share with you that, um, I was happy back then. I felt very, very happy. And I was, um, I remember being in a, and I, I re-experienced this again. I was in a, um, a big snowstorm, um, in 1966 that would’ve put me at 11 years old and playing with my friends and everything about it did feel happy.

Speaker 1: (05:04)
So, um, and I’ve talked about this in the past, and it’s, it’s very still very hard for me to explain. And I can’t really put this into words, but I don’t think the way that we see time as human beings, like it’s linear. In other words, like right now, I’m a certain age. Last year I was a certain age, go back in time. Um, I, I had a very strong feeling during this session. Again, that time is the way we see it is not really correct. It’s not really what’s happening, but we are really on a, um, I don’t think this is the right word, but kind of bear with me . But, uh, we’re kind of on a continuum and, and like, but everything is, everything’s really happening and has happened already. And we’re just experiencing one part, like right now where I am in, I’m in Salt Lake Lake City recording this, and, um, it’s, uh, a certain date and I feel that this is the present.

Speaker 1: (06:04)
But at the same time, I do believe now that everything is taking place together. And also my 10 year old self is experiencing life as well, but it’s just in a different part of the timeline. And I, I can’t really get to that right now, at least in my mind. I can’t get to that right now. But in the float spot, in the float tank, uh, when I was deprived of, of my sense, my senses, and I was floating in space and I was enhanced by a little bit of plant medicine, I actually was taken back there. And it was not just like a thought or a dream, but it was like very, very real and very, very vivid. And I was actually there, and I was, I can tell you firsthand that my childhood, um, up to a certain point was not bad at all.

Speaker 1: (06:54)
In fact, it was, it was, it was kind of fun. It was kind of normal. It was kind of good. Now, of course, there are some good and bad things that happen in our lives. And I mean, everything can’t be total bliss every single second of every single day. But for the most part, I was wrong. Things in my childhood appeared to be really good. And even when I thought, like around seventh or eighth grade, um, and ninth grade and into high school when things really started kind of getting bad for me, um, they really weren’t that bad. That’s what I experienced in the, in the float tank when all my senses were deprived of me and I was just basically floating. That’s what I, that’s what I, um, I felt that, that my life was good. Now, now, I didn’t really get there. I didn’t get there in this session yesterday, but, um, I think my life started becoming crazier.

Speaker 1: (07:54)
And I’m gonna try to get there at a future visit. But, um, around the time I was probably, um, getting into dental school, going to dental school, I think I still feel in my heart, that was a time that was not really good for me because just I was getting into something that eventually wouldn’t turn out to be like a, um, a a a love and a passion for this. So I think it was, that was getting pretty bad then. But, um, again, if I could take you back to the way I felt in this float tank, um, I was there just floating in space, basically reliving or, or, or joining rejoining, maybe that’s a better word. I’m not sure. My, my youth and, oh God, some of the visions I had just going over to my friend’s house and, and watching Batman on tv, on his color tv, he was like one of the first people, probably the first person, his name’s Mark, an old friend of mine, um, the first person I ever know that had, that had color tv.

Speaker 1: (08:55)
And we would go over to his house and watch Batman when it came on. Um, in the evening, I’m not even sure what day of the week it came on, but that was like a really big thing to watch Batman in color. But, um, as I was reliving this whole thing, um, I felt really good about my life. So where did it go bad? I wanna say, I wanna say now without going back in the flow tank, which I will revisit this, but I wanna say it went bad, probably more in, um, in dental school. And then, um, later on, later on in, in, during my first marriage, that that did not end in, in, did not end well. Um, but more importantly, again, I wanna share, and I’ve got something else I wanna share that happened at the very end that you’re just not, it’s just, to me, it’s just something amazing about this story.

Speaker 1: (09:46)
But, um, I, um, was really just reliving this. And again, I felt like I was actually there, not thinking about it, not dreaming about it, but, but I was actually there. Which again, leads me to believe that this whole time thing that we perceive as time is just not, is just not right. I don’t, I don’t know if, if I try to explain this to my friends, they probably think I’m crazy. Um, you all listening and watching this now, um, maybe you’ll understand me a little bit more. Maybe you could even shed some light on this, because there, there’s something very, very powerful out powerful out there that we just as humans, we just haven’t really had a firm grip on yet. And I don’t know if we ever will. Um, but then I started thinking like, has my death already taken place? In other words, if my, if my theory is corrected, everything has already happened, but we’re just perceiving to be on a certain timeline somewhere at some point, then the answer is probably yes.

Speaker 1: (10:55)
I mean, everything has already taken place. I mean, everything is there. It’s just that where we see ourselves or where we feel ourselves on this timeline. Like right now, here I am, salt Lake City talking to you. This is where I am right now. But there could be another part of me as a 10 year old feeling the exact same thing right now, right now that I’m 10 years old, there’s a big snowstorm outside. I’m watching color TV on Mark’s color. I’m watching Batman on Mark’s color tv. I mean, this could also be happening right now, but I’m just, um, but I’m, I don’t even know how to say it, but I’m talking to you here now as a, um, as an older man, I don’t know, see, I can’t put into words. And, and I think like the higher spirits, whoever are in charge of us don’t want us to understand more than that.

Speaker 1: (11:48)
More than we do. But I think everything has already been done. It’s all, all a bit choreographed. It’s all taken place. That’s what I, that’s what, that’s the way I just feel, um, call me crazy. I don’t know. But, um, the session went on and again, I, I totally lost track of time and, um, I, I didn’t know how long I’d been there. I didn’t know. I, I, I, I couldn’t tell whether I’d been there 15 minutes or, or a day I could. I really couldn’t tell. And that was a really good thing. But then ultimately the lights came on and the sound from the speakers as like, your session is now, it’s a very beautiful female’s voice, much better than mine. Your session is now over. You can, you can get out and , I don’t know what she says, but then the lights come on and then it’s over.

Speaker 1: (12:31)
So after that, what, what I do, I I, I go into this other little room that’s attached to my suite and I take a shower. There’s heavy salt, I think Epson salt mainly, or heavy salt in this water that gets you to float. So you gotta rinse everything off. And I wash my hair and, you know, just getting cleaned up and everything’s great. And then I walk out into this, um, it’s like a lounge. And generally there’s nobody in the lounge. I, I use the lounge before and after my session to drink some tea and just for meditation and relaxation. Cause I don’t wanna get outta my session and then just walk out into the cold and, and walk home. Um, and I do walk. It’s, it’s about a 15 minute walk from my house. And I, I do walk. I don’t drive because I normally use some plant medicine to float in this sensory deprivation tank.

Speaker 1: (13:22)
So I don’t wanna drive, I don’t wanna endanger myself or anybody else. So I walk and it’s a pleasant walk, but before I get outside and walk, I usually sit in you for 15 to 30 minutes in this, um, little lounge area and just drink my tea and, and just kind of recap. And I, I’ll write in my little journal here, like, uh, you know, what I felt and things like that. This time when I walked into the lounge, there was a woman, and I’m guessing she probably was in her forties, and she had this energy that it’s really rare to experience in, um, in life. I mean, how can I say this? I mean, generally, because okay, before my session, I was sitting in the lounge and this other couple came in and they, they had just finished their session, you know, they were, they looked like a fine couple, a fine young couple, but there was no energy there whatsoever.

Speaker 1: (14:12)
They came in, they got a little bit of tea, they sat there for five minutes. They didn’t even look at me. Um, they didn’t talk to each other. They just, I just felt like very low, not negative energy, but just like no energy from them whatsoever. And I didn’t try to get into a conversation, you know, when, when you don’t feel the energy, you just don’t do it. But this woman, so I walked into the lounge, she was already there. She was sitting down, it looked like she just finished a session. She was there sitting, and she looked at me and she said, hello. And I don’t remember her exact words, but I felt like this, this magnetic field around her, like in a very positive way that she was just, um, exuded like very good positive energy. And we, we started talking and it was like, it was like we knew each other forever.

Speaker 1: (15:01)
It is not like we just met, her name was Kristen. And I felt something, I don’t know what I felt, I didn’t feel like love, like, uh, you know, um, but I felt, well, maybe I did. I, I don’t know how to explain it. But we talked for about 10 to 15 minutes. Again, it was like, we were, it was like we were old friends. It was like we had a connection. Then ultimately, she, she, um, said, I’ve gotta go. And she left. And, and, and I never would do anything like this, but we just looked at each other and we, like, we, we, we hugged, we embraced, we, is it okay if I hug you? And she said yes. And, um, there was nothing, nothing sexual about this. I mean, it just, it was, it was a connection that I felt was very strong.

Speaker 1: (15:53)
I don’t know if this came from my past. I don’t know if this had anything to do with my float session. I, I, I, I don’t know. I’m still trying to figure this out, but I, I felt like I would, this would not be the last time I saw her. And then I sat there for about, I don’t know, five or 10 minutes longer drinking my tea. And then I finally left. And that was, that was the session. And it was so powerful, so, so powerful. I just, I, I am truly looking forward to doing this again. Now, I will say this, that I was supposed to actually do a float with my wife. We were supposed to float together in the same, the same tank. And, um, last minute kind of, she woke up with a, um, she didn’t feel a hundred percent, she had like a little bit of a sore throat or something.

Speaker 1: (16:40)
She said she didn’t really wanna float. So had she been with me, would this session have been totally different? I don’t know the answer. I’m just throwing things out there. I’m thinking I just can’t stop thinking about this. But I don’t know, would that woman have been in the room if my wife and I came out and sat down to drink tea? I, I, I don’t know. But it’s, it’s like something really cool to think about and ponder it. Mainly a time, this thing about time and this thing about everything’s taking place. Like, could I go back to my 30 year old self right now? I think I could, would I want to? No, not really, but it’s there. It’s there for me to go to if I want to. So that’s what I wanted to share today. I’m sorry if it’s a little bit discombobulated.

Speaker 1: (17:27)
I just, um, I know it’s all over the place, but I just had these thoughts from my session that I just wanted to get out there. And, um, if any of you, if any of you have a, um, uh, uh, comments, I, I or, or theories or, or, or thoughts about this, I, I really want to hear from you about this because this is not over. I’m going back. I’m gonna be learning more about my past and, and going back into my past. This is like the, besides having a time machine sitting right in my room right here, this is like the best thing I could possibly have. It, it really is something that I found that’s, that’s very special. Anyway, that’s it for today. Thank you for being with me. Um, your, your greatest gift to me could be, would not, could be, but would be or is your greatest gift to me is a, just go to the, um, your platform here, wherever you’re, wherever you’re listening or watching.

Speaker 1: (18:18)
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Here is the transcript to today’s episode:

Speaker 1: (00:01)
I’m just gonna start talking. So, um, about oh five, six hours ago I took, um, 0.25 grams of, um, magic mushrooms 0.25. So that’s, uh, 250 milligrams and it didn’t go exactly the way I wanted it to. By the way, welcome to Microdose U Dr. Dave. Um, it, I’ve been talking about microdosing on this channel for quite some time. I’m not sure how long, but I’ve been microdosing for about a year and a half. My experience has been really, really good. Basically, microdosing has, um, allowed me to totally get off antidepressants, um, blood pressure meds, um, benzo Daze, any, pretty much anything I was taking. Um, I’m off of. I don’t, I don’t take any, I don’t take any medication, any pharma, pharmacological, pharmaceutical. I don’t take anything. Um, and I’ve been talking to you all about microdosing for quite some time, but the experience I had this evening was not one that I really would wish on you or want you to have. And I feel, I feel kind of guilty too, because one of the last episodes I was sharing this, um, stack that I kind of invented. I don’t, I probably didn’t invent it, but, but when I went ahead and took some, um, C B D, which is, you know, sold over the counter, um, and some, um,

Speaker 1: (01:56)
Lion’s, main mushroom, which is also sold over the counter on Amazon, wherever you want it, along with a microdose of magic mushrooms and microdose was 250 milligrams, which is 0.25 grams. I, I told you last time that this, the combination of the 0.25 grams, which is not really, you’re not really supposed to feel it with the CBD D and the Lions main just kind of sent me somewhere and it was actually quite pleasant, really pleasant. Um, I did it again last week and it was great. Again. It, it really worked. I mean, it, it’s, it feels like, it feels like much more than any microdose with a microdose, if that makes sense. But tonight, um, I, I felt weird. I have to admit, I felt it was something that I didn’t really embrace and was just looking forward to end. And I start having these weird feelings, like, here I am, am I a fraud? I’m helping people all over the world with microdosing, and here I put this episode out about this stack, and you can, you anybody can do it and it’s gonna be great, but it didn’t turn out great tonight. And I started having these weird feelings within myself also. Like, okay, when’s this going to end? Uh, it’s a little bit weird. When’s it gonna end? And, and

Speaker 1: (03:34)
Not only that, but anybody that listened to the podcast or watch the video or however you get your information from me, um, if they try this, and I make it very clear that this, nothing I say here is, is medical advice. I make it very clear. But still that doesn’t make me feel good that if somebody went ahead and took some magic mushrooms along with C b D, could this do the same thing to them? Could this send them into the, into space and, and not, not not super pleasant in, in, um, and I started feeling guilty. I started feeling that I shouldn’t be doing this. I shouldn’t have this channel. I’m a fraud. I’m telling people the wrong thing. I should just go away. But then I thought, no, that’s not right. There’s no guarantee that every single experience, even microdosing, there’s no guarantee that every single experience is going to be incredibly positive. Um, this microdosing has allowed me to changed my whole life. Like the way I think, the way I feel every day, the way I see other people, the way I see the universe, it’s, it’s totally changed my life. And one weird bad one,

Speaker 1: (05:02)
It wasn’t a bad, I can’t say it was not a bad trip. There’s probably no such thing as a bad trip. You always learn something from it. But I just, it was just, it was just like a little bit uncomfortable and I just wanted it to stop. And I, I just knew that, you know, what I’ve learned on my own and what I’ve heard from others is, you know, you just realized that, okay, it’s something I ingested. It’s going to eventually go away, which it did, and learn from the experience, which I did. Um, what did I learn? I’m when I learned that I’m helping a shitload of people all over the world. And if you have a bad experience now and then, or something that you perceive to be a bad experience, learn from it.

Speaker 1: (05:50)
Learn from it. I get emails and comments on my videos every day, multiple, multiple, multiple, multiple every day. Sometimes I can respond right away. Other times it takes me days or weeks, week plus, or weeks just depending. But I do respond. I try my best. I try my best to respond to everything because you are super important to me. I’m not doing any of this for any kind of monetary reward. I, I’d be starving if I were. Um, I’m doing it really to help people that were in, that are in the same situation that I was in a year and a half ago, desperate talk therapy, not working on Lexapro or, you know, some other fill in the blank, whatever type of SSRI or antidepressant or anti-anxiety or whatever on that. Um, not being able to live life to its fullest because you don’t even know how you’re gonna feel every day.

Speaker 1: (06:57)
I’m helping these people all over the world. So if I share something that ultimately turns out to not work for me the way I thought it would, am I a failure? Do I need to quit? No. This is a learning process, guys and gals. I’m new at this. I mean, relatively speaking. I mean, a year and a half outta my life, a year and a half, a year and a half outta my life, learning what this miracle plant medicine can do. And that’s why I’m very clear, like if I recommend something, be careful. Everybody’s different. Everybody reacts differently to things. And, um, that’s why if you haven’t seen my video, the Absolute Beginners Guide to Microdosing Magic Mushrooms, please watch that again. I get so many questions every single day that that video answers. How do I do it? How do I, how much do I do?

Speaker 1: (07:58)
How much do I ingest? How often? Again, it’s not medical advice. Everybody’s different, but it’s a really good guide and if you listen to me in general, things are gonna be good. But I just let I learn tonight that there’s not a hundred percent guarantee even with what I do. There’s just not a hundred percent guarantee. So I wanna share it with you guys. Um, I’m not gonna edit any of this if there are long pauses. It’s totally, totally the way I feel right now. Um, about five, about five hours after doing 0.25 Graham, which is again, is a, is a microdose. It is a small dose, it’s a tiny dose. But combined with the, um, CBD that I did earlier today combined with that, I find that it really just potentiates it like crazy. Okay? I’ll read every single comment in the comment section. I’ll do my best to answer what you have to ask me or say or whatever Michael does. You, Dr. Dave, talk to you soon.

Speaker 2: (09:17)
Hey, it’s Dr. Dave coming back to you after the show. I really appreciate you being here. And if you could just do me one little favor before you go, it’ll take you about 30 seconds of your time. Go onto your podcast platform and give us a rating and a review. Um, it takes just a little bit of your time and it really, really will help the show immensely. I’m trying to get the word out to people all over the world because so many people are struggling and they need help and this is the way they’re gonna find out about us. So take a little bit of your time, do it for us. I really appreciate you. Thanks so much.

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246 – Founder of Mushroom Company Speaks Psychedelics

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Here is the transcript to today’s episode:

Speaker 1: (00:00)
Anyway, Tennyson, thanks. Thanks so much for being with me here. This is, this is, I feel honored to have you here talking to you. How are you today?

Speaker 2: (00:09)
I’m doing really good. Thank you. And I so appreciate your invitation. I, uh, for the last six months or so have kind of been in hermit mode, so it feels really good to come out and be able to talk about everything, especially in relation to what I’m doing. Um, and I assume, you know, some of the subjects we’ll get into today. So feeling good. I’m, I’m walking. It’s sunny. Uh, couldn’t be a better situation, really.

Speaker 1: (00:38)
So it, it was, it was really cool meeting you, like the way we did the other day, a couple weekends ago. It was super cool. And I remember you, um, your story is like, if I may say amazing, it was, uh, wait, you’re, you’re, you’re at a park right now. Where are you?

Speaker 2: (00:55)
So, I’m at, I’m actually at the park across the street from Liberty.

Speaker 1: (01:00)

Speaker 2: (01:01)
I, I realized I might get a little winded, if I tried to talk and walk at the same time. So

Speaker 1: (01:09)
Wait a minute. Wait, you’re, you’re at the park across the street from Liberty Park, kind of right? Where, yeah. Wait, where do you, where do you live exactly? Hold on.

Speaker 2: (01:18)
So here’s 900 East, I think. Okay. Or eight eight East. Um, so I’m on like eight 50 east, just a block that way. Um, in between eighth and ninth course,

Speaker 1: (01:30)
Tenon, tenon, I’m, I’m right around the corner from you. We could have done this, we could have done this live. You could have come to my house. Oh my, I can’t how close we are. I knew we live, I knew we both live in Salt Lake City, but we are literally like blocks away from each other as we speak right now. I could probably look out my window and wave to you

Speaker 2: (01:48)
. So, you know, you know Harrison Avenue then, right? That’s, that’s the street I’m on . Exactly. Oh my God.

Speaker 1: (01:55)
Okay. So when I was talking to you the other day, you, I came to, you had a little stand going and I was amazed cause I saw something about mushrooms and you, it seems like you own a mushroom company to say it, like probably the easiest, the simplest possible way, but, um mm-hmm. , I want to hear a little bit about that. And I want to hear about your story, cuz I know you’ve got, I know you’ve got a story that got you to where you are now, and I want, I want to hear about that.

Speaker 2: (02:23)
Okay. Yeah. So the company’s name is actually, so magic Mou MOU is Chinese for mushroom. So, uh, there’s a little bit of an attempt to incept into the mainstream, the idea of magic mushrooms. And of course that extends far beyond psilocybin, though I’m also, um, a huge proponent of psilocybin being something that is, uh, loved and respected and honored and not seem to be any different from anything else that people commonly use to enhance their wellbeing and ability to enjoy life. And so, of course, that’s also a big piece of my story. Um, I, I would say almost 6, 5, 6 years ago now, I, um, was in the, the dark depths of depression. I had been diagnosed with severe depression and ptsd. Um, and it had really been something that kind of snuck under the surface as this undercurrent that I can very clearly see now painted most of my life.

Speaker 2: (03:42)
And in a funny way, the lack of awareness of it, um, both made life easier in that I didn’t identify with this idea of being a certain way. But because there was also this underlying condition that I wasn’t dealing with, um, it, it still dragged me down. And the way the, uh, therapist I worked with briefly described it, which resonated with me, was that I was drowning. Um, and yet no one else could see that or understand how it was happening to me because we were both there together. And for some reason I was suffocating on myself. So, um, then it got worse and better when I was diagnosed because then I identified with my idea of what it meant to have those things going on. And for whatever reason, I, um, had dramatic reactions to professional treatment in the sense that I didn’t trust that they could work. And I, uh, I stopped taking the medication I was given after about a week. I never ended up going to my therapy sessions, um, after the initial diagnosis. Um, and I kind of just walled in it for about a year.

Speaker 1: (05:09)
Before you get into like, kind of like the next part, I, I wanna know because, um, your, your story sounds very, very similar to mine. I’m just a little bit older than you, but probably sounds really, really familiar. But, um, I wanna know from you, um, tell me a little bit about your depression and, and also if you’re able to talk about your ptsd, like, I’d, I’d like to know like where it came from or where you feel it came from, like a little bit more about the background with that before we move on.

Speaker 2: (05:37)
Okay. Yeah. Um, it, you know, it, it, it’s almost tough to say because I recognize that a large portion of it was inherited. Um, there’s so much that we are now learning, especially in the last five years about epigenetic memory and the, uh, you know, the personality traits that we inherit, um, from our ancestry. And we can identify it going back as much as seven generations. And I believe it goes back much further. Um, and, you know, much of those personality traits are trauma based. And so I think a lot of it actually was rooted in that they were, it was almost like a, uh, I had the potential to express all of these traumatic, uh, conditioning traits that exist in my family line, which you could also call are a history of mental illness and a history of X, y, Z. So there was that, and then I had this unbelievably charmed childhood, um, until I was about 22, um, which was maybe slightly thrown off with this, um, impending sense of, this is too easy, this is too good, something’s gotta happen.

Speaker 2: (06:58)
Um, and then it did, oh, there’s a dog walking over. Um, which was, um, I, I won’t go into detail, but basically I went from this very charmed position. Um, I had a very secure religious worldview. Um, and I felt very confident in it because of the people that I depended on to, uh, kind of outsource that sense of competence to really, and so there was this moment when everything, because of certain events that had happened and really coincided with my own beginning to investigate life from a more authentic perspective that kind of caused that old worldview to, um, fall apart. Uh, I guess for a little more context it was the, the Mormon worldview. And so, um, I had discarded that. And then within a month of that happening, um, some certain events happened in my family and, uh, we kind of lost everything really, to put it bluntly. And so you

Speaker 1: (08:03)
Mean when you, when you say you lost everything, do you, are you saying that your, you and your family lost whatever you had income,

Speaker 2: (08:11)
Money, that thing? Yeah. Bankruptcy. Oh, I, I dropped outta school. Um, yeah, there, my parents separated, uh, and there were, there were a variety of different, you could say, uh, what in my experience felt like certain types of betrayals that were, um, pretty, uh, heavy. And so it all just happened at once. It, it almost felt like this, you know, it was that thing of that sense of impending zoom and bam, there all was where any misfortune I could have had in my childhood, it all seemed to happen within a span of a couple of months. And so, so with that triggered all of my unhealthy coping tendencies. And, um, and so it was this kind of three year period where I just, I didn’t know how to deal with life outside of the framework I had been given and was a very soft, uh, framework, and I, I didn’t have to depend on myself much. Um, and so it was just, it was just tough. I had to do a lot of growing up, um, very quickly. And I didn’t have the support network that I had sort of integrated into my entire life, which was the, you know, kind of local religious Utah community. Um, and so, uh, that, that’s the background that, uh, sort of prelude this, um, PTSD and depression.

Speaker 1: (09:49)
Okay. Well thanks for sharing. Cause I know sometimes that’s things like that are difficult to share. And, um, I, I appreciate you sharing even that much.

Speaker 2: (09:57)
So everything, it was cool. Everything sort of just had a, just as quick of a transition out of those depths. Um, the first time I tried a hallucinogen, which was lsd, and then a few weeks later, magic mushrooms. Um, and it was so cool because the LSD experience, um, it was, there was nothing crazy that happened or, you know, not, not, um, an intense hallucination experience, but I saw very clearly and, and literally that everything was connected. Um, I could see the seamlessness of it visually, and it, and could feel it in my sense of meaning or intuition or it just, I just knew, right? And then as I came out of the, uh, trip, the first thought that came to my mind was, I’m not depressed. That’s something that was doing. I don’t have ptsd. Um, that’s something I was doing, and now I can do whatever I want because, and I now recognize it’s because I had enough, been able to disassociate from those identities and be exposed to another possibility that was totally undeniable of what I could do, where I could go the way life was, that my sense of support, um, sort of blossomed inside of me, you could say.

Speaker 2: (11:26)
And so I didn’t have to outsource it. I didn’t have to cope with the, the assumption or perception that I didn’t have that. And, um, and then a few weeks later I tried the magic mushrooms. And I, it’s funny, I actually don’t remember what happened at all in that trip. Uh, but I know that there was,

Speaker 1: (11:46)
Well, let’s, let’s back up for a second. How, um, roughly how much did you take?

Speaker 2: (11:52)
I did half a tab to start.

Speaker 1: (11:54)
Oh, that’s the lsd. The lsd.

Speaker 2: (11:56)
Oh yeah, the lsd, the mushrooms. I don’t know, I, it was funny. I was, um, a, a hippie driving through Utah in their van with their friends, gave them to me, um, . So, so

Speaker 1: (12:09)
Did you know anything about mushrooms before that? Or did you just, you took them from a hippie and just downed a whole bunch and you didn’t know how many

Speaker 2: (12:17)
I had spent years researching, um, both mushrooms and lsd. I was very nervous about ’em leading up until when I made the decision. Uh, I’m, I’m very much a, a, a research oriented person and will exhaust the available information on something most of the time before I move forward into it. Um, and so I tried, you know, I did that with both mushrooms and lsd, and I guess those two things were all the research I needed to, from that point forward to, uh, feel confident in exploring psychedelia and other areas of kind of the more mystical facet of life after that.

Speaker 1: (13:00)
So tell me a little bit more about your, about your mushroom trip, and then, and tell me about the trip itself, and then what happened after that. Like, what did you, what did you realize and how did, how did you, how did it change your life?

Speaker 2: (13:14)
Okay. So I would say that, um, in contrast to lsd, which is very cognition based, very intellectual, I think mechanically LSD is turning on, um, neural connectivity and mushrooms are turning them down. And so you get to the same place, but kind of from a different direction, if that makes any sense. And with the mushrooms, it was, um, around midnight that I took them. It was in dark, I had no music. Um, it was probably two grams, two to three grams. Um, and I, I wanna say I just ate them. And so the experience was deeply emotional. And again, um, the way I look at it is when you take psilocybin and it, and it, um, diminishes your mental activity, especially your egoic perceptual filters that have developed over a lifetime, um, the parts of you that have been, uh, suppressed by those filters for one reason or another, those parts are able to sort of bubble back up.

Speaker 2: (14:25)
And then it happens under a blissful context because you’ve got this sense of euphoria that the psilocybin creates by mimicking in a way, serotonin, if I’m getting it right. These are, this is how I remember the science. And so you’re able to view the parts of yourself that you unconsciously are the most afraid to express under a deeply loving and generally blissful and meaningful context. And that’s what I experienced. It was very much like a, a mother, uh, experience and reconnecting to life itself, um, and feeling an, a grand sense of empathy and appreciation and, um, really true love, love non-transactional love, which I think is an important distinction for all life, um, especially my relationships. Um, so that’s all I really remember of how it was. And then, you know, I came out and there was that, that glow, um, that I carried with me. And then ever since then, it, I just have that experience as a reference point to know where to go and how to be and kind of grow into.

Speaker 1: (15:44)
So what were you doing as far as work? Um, before, before you got into the lsd, before you got into the mushrooms, what was your, what was your job?

Speaker 2: (15:54)
Well, I was, uh, really, I was failing at work. I was getting into entry level positions and dropping out within a month almost every single time. I think I had gone through four different positions, um, in that year between the diagnosis and the LSD trip. But then within the month after the LSD trip, I had, uh, begun working as an intern and entrepreneur in residence at a EC firm. Um, uh, you know, and it just, it was so unbelievable how it unlocked my ability to move towards my potential and take these big risks for what felt like big risks and worked there. And I started a YouTube channel. I started devouring information on how to become a business owner.

Speaker 1: (16:46)
Wait back, let’s, um, hold back up. Um, what’s your YouTube channel? Maybe I didn’t even, I’m not even sure I knew about that. , let’s, let’s hear about that. Oh,

Speaker 2: (16:54)
I, it was, so originally the idea was I was going to go completely broke, which is what I was at the time, uh, and reach the point of financial independence where I could choose to retire if I wanted to within a year. So I’ve since deleted it. Uh, well, I’ve archived everything because it was kind of embarrassing . And, uh, the irony is, I, I did it, it worked within a year, I had moved to the Caribbean, um, and was working once a week as an extra in films and living out my fantasy of a retired life. Um, and it was funny because I’d given up on the whole project, I’d left the VC firm. I had abandoned the company I started, um, which was an augmented reality company, uh, because I realized within six months of that, that they were so out of, of sync with what felt authentic and joyous to me that it wasn’t right. And so then I went headlong into just, let’s just retire right now without the money and see what happens. And, um,

Speaker 1: (18:01)
So how can you, so how, tell me how you can retire without money though. I’m just, um, I’m, I’m cur curious about that one.

Speaker 2: (18:08)
Well, I don’t think you can. I, I think I, uh, , I w i I had a lot of luck. Um, I was able to sell enough stuff and get a credit card to survive in the Caribbean at a hostile or sleeping on the beach. My food budget was $30 a week. Um, and my entertainment was, uh, drawing and, uh, the occasional, the occasional joint that somebody would give me an exchange for having a lighter, um, on the beach. And so it was a, you know, you gotta be young and available to a, a pretty fortunate flow of, uh, people helping you out . Um, but I was able to make enough money acting to survive, um, but not in a way that was fulfilling. And I realized that pretty quickly. And so my retirement ended within about four months. Uh, and I came back to Utah .

Speaker 1: (19:13)
Okay. And then you got back to Utah. And then what, what did you do?

Speaker 2: (19:18)
So when I came back, it was, um, with this new sense of ambition and restlessness, I guess I kind of realized that my idea of retirement was something I had developed out of ignorance. And I actually did want to work and, um, apply myself in ways that were uncomfortable but valuable. And so I moved in with my mom. I had almost no money. I got a, another entry level position. I worked at it until I could get a position as a remote marketer for a company. Um, and I did that until I started Magic Mo, actually.

Speaker 1: (20:00)
Okay. Now that’s a good segue into magic. Mo you, you had this, I guess idea, um, maybe you love mushrooms. I’m guessing that it’s the case and I don’t think magic Mo is, um, is doing anything with psilocybin that I know of, cuz I know in Utah here, we, we really can’t do that legally. So tell me how you got into this and what it is exactly and how you built it, and a little bit more about that.

Speaker 2: (20:25)
Mm-hmm. , so we’re not doing anything with psilocybin yet. Um, there is a very clear path to that once the, um, legalization comes through. But when I, so I would describe the last 10 years of my life as the succession of reaching the point of whatever I had fantasized my life needed to be in order to feel happy and then be done searching. And I would reach that point and become disillusioned with it. Um, which was a huge blessing because it opened me up to something better. And then that would fall through as the thing. Um, and so this job with being a remote marketer, I thought that was the thing. I’d have remote work, I’d have the income I wanted. I was working with people I cared about in a company that was meaningful. And when it fell through, it was because I’m not meant to be a marketer.

Speaker 2: (21:21)
I don’t like it. I thought I did because I thought it would be easy, really. Um, and so it was actually pretty devastating when I and my employer both came to this conclusion. And it was difficult for me to hear him say, you, you need to do something that’s right for you. And I felt frustrated by that because it was such a mystery and it, it felt scary to, um, set out on my own in that way and not operate within an organization that somebody else had built, which also meant that they were taking on all the risks of trying something new. Um, so I was in a difficult period after leaving that job where I felt lost, but I also knew that I couldn’t depend on anything outside of my own intuition you could say. So I actually , I decided to fast and my idea was I wouldn’t eat until it came to me what the right thing was to do. Um, ,

Speaker 1: (22:28)
Was this a, um, what type of fast was it? Was it a water? Like you could drink water, I guess,

Speaker 2: (22:33)
Right? Only water. Only

Speaker 1: (22:34)
Water, yeah. So a water fast.

Speaker 2: (22:35)
Yeah. So I was, uh, really cashing in on something I had developed as a Mormon, which is that you do a 24-hour fast every month. So I kind of knew how to deal with it psychologically . Um, and on the fourth day, uh, I, it, it’s so funny too how obvious it, it was and is in retrospect, but it just occurred to me the only thing I’m interested in are mushrooms. I had been taking large doses of mushrooms at least once a month, um, for the last year and, um, and other psychedelics and had been having the most incredible experiences of insight and release and wonder and everything that comes with it. Um, and it had brought so much richness and freedom to my life. So, um, it occurred to me that mushrooms were it, and that I had only ever not considered it because I was afraid of what that meant I would have to do to be involved.

Speaker 2: (23:36)
And so, um, what I decided at that time was that I needed to go back to school and get into research with psychedelics. And so I was going to go and I had, I’ve only done three semesters of college, and so it was intimidating cause I was planning on going all the way to at least a master’s and getting a loan and working through that whole entire thing. But at the same time, I had digested enough inner fantasies about what life is supposed to be, that there wasn’t much left. And so it felt really easy to commit to something as intimidating or daunting as eight years of school because I didn’t feel like I would be distracted and I just needed something to do. So as I was preparing to go back to school, um, I was also heavily invested in kind of starting my own, uh, anecdotal, uh, research into psychedelics and how they could improve cognition and wellbeing and self-improvement.

Speaker 2: (24:45)
And so I was also super focused on, uh, neuronutrition a lot of different areas of psychology in the sense of improving one’s wellbeing, of course, um, and performance psychology especially, and flow state. Um, and so a big piece of that for me was food, because that was kind of the only resource I had access to at the time. Cause I didn’t have money for anything else and I was growing most of my own food. Um, and so I was very sensitive to how it felt to eat food and I was accumulating a lot of information of why it felt that way. And so I was able to develop this really helpful map of what food is to me now. Like as I’m eating something, what is it doing? Why is it doing that? How is that affecting my ability to, um, be intimate with life in a way that feels good and is sustainable?

Speaker 2: (25:44)
Um, and so the, the other side of that is this massive sense of dissatisfaction with what’s available in cheap and convenient food. And so this is where the company comes in and that it seemed to me that a solution to pay for school and to manage my own wellbeing would be to start making health foods that filled the potential I saw, which is that you could take things like snack bars and make them delivery mechanisms for potent performance and medicinal nutrition. And what I was experiencing at the time was that functional mushrooms are the holy grail of that because they have such a holistic effect on your body. They don’t cost you anything the way things like caffeine or other stimulants do. Um, and then they are also medicines in their own way. And so, um, that’s sort of the, uh, I think the word is apotheosis of the company and the philosophy behind it, which is that it can be easy to live well if we allow our laziness to inform our creativity, um, and to not compromise our values as we move forward with that. And so it started with snack bars and has since become what it is today, which is not much more . There’s some nut butters and just the regular mushroom powder blends. Uh, but then big plans for the future, which of course will hopefully include psilocybin.

Speaker 1: (27:16)
I’ve got this in front of me right here. Does that look familiar to you at all?

Speaker 2: (27:19)
Sure does. Have you been eating them?

Speaker 1: (27:23)
I have been eating them. And I know, um, you gave me, the caveat was this was kinda like one of your first products or first run or something, and you said that, yeah, it’s gonna taste very dry. I gotta tell you, it tastes much better than I thought it would because, um, you know, you kind of played it down. It’s definitely on the dry side, but, um, I’ve actually been using these, believe it or not, uh, hiking and things like that, and they’ve been working really well for me. So by eating these mushroom bars, uh, what should I, and I know you probably don’t have those available. I know you’ve probably, uh, you know, you’ve got other products that have replaced this maybe. But, um, what could I, what can I expect to happen to my health if I start eating these mushroom bars?

Speaker 2: (28:10)
Well, I would kind of put it into three categories. Um, oh, by the way, somebody told me if you pair those with apples, they’re delicious. And I, I tried to, oh, it’s true. So

Speaker 1: (28:21)
We got a whole bag of organic apples just yesterday. So I will, and you me, just kind, when you say pair, just kind of eat them together, is that what you’re saying?

Speaker 2: (28:30)
Just yeah, bite a each, it combines into sort of an apple cider kinda thing.

Speaker 1: (28:35)
Nice, nice, nice. Fantastic.

Speaker 2: (28:38)
So the first and most important thing to me is that you, well, actually what you don’t feel when you eat it, which is that you don’t feel digestive discomfort unless you’re the rare person that’s super sensitive to essential oils, which is why I’ve since changed it. And there’s very little essential oil in it. Um, but that has only happened I think once or twice anyone that’s ever eaten them. So you won’t feel heavy, you won’t feel digestive discomfort, you won’t feel bloating, you won’t feel tired, you won’t feel a lot of things that at least I never recognized I was feeling every time I ate until I started eating cleaner nutrition and suddenly food felt lighter. Um, which didn’t make sense to me at the time because if I’m adding something to my body, it should weigh it down because that’s just the physics of it.

Speaker 2: (29:29)
But if the food has a , I guess you could say chemical result, that’s buoyant, then you’re going to feel light and clear. And so the inverse of that is you’ll feel a, i, you know, at the beginning of IMAX movies where there’s that thing. Exactly. That’s what I feel. Um, every single cell is being given an active compound with which the cell will produce more energy. Literally, ATP production is increased by one of the mushrooms in the bar. And so there’s a sense of full body aliveness that the dial gets turned up on. And then, um, uh, cognitive clarity, I get a lot of people and myself included, that feel more creative and have just a, a more integrated sense of being with it. So that’s one part of it. Um, , I guess I said there’s three categories and I’m kind of mashing it all together.

Speaker 2: (30:31)
Uh, well, the other thing is you’ll feel satisfied. Um, hunger isn’t the lack of your stomach being full. Hunger is a signal that you are deficient in a nutrient that your body wants. And so to feel satisfied does not have to come after filling up your stomach. Um, so I notice that I can eat less than a full bar and I will feel satisfied and sometimes not finish it for another half hour or so, which is if I’m eating just normal, normal food off a plate, I’m ravenous looking. I grew up with seven siblings, and so if you didn’t eat fast, it was gone. Um,

Speaker 1: (31:17)
It’s funny that you said that because, um, it was the other day, I think it was up at out or something, and I had one of your bars in my, in my hip pack and I opened it up. I was kind of hungry and I, I ate half of it and I felt totally satisfied. So I put the other half back in the hip pack. It still might be there right now as a matter of fact, but, um, but it’s very shame that you said that because I I absolutely noticed that.

Speaker 2: (31:40)
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1: (31:41)
It must have given me, so other words, I got some kind of nutrition from it that, um, satisfied me and my cells and I felt like I just, I didn’t really have to have anymore. I was okay.

Speaker 2: (31:52)
Mm-hmm. , my intention with it originally was that you could replace your entire supplement regimen with one bar, and it’s not there yet, but, um, it does satisfy a lot of the nutritional needs that most people in the US are pretty chronically deficient in. Um, so it, I I love to hear that. It’s a, a huge validation, you know, to hear people say this. Um, and I’ll say the last thing that one could expect, um, and this is kind of my own theory with it, but, um, a, a huge idea that I wanted to push forward with these products is that everything in it is, um, a powerful anti-inflammatory agent. A lot of the ingredients are in the top 10 most powerful anti-inflammatory foods on the planet. Um, and this was incepted by the, I guess you could say the idea, I don’t know if it’s a fact or not, I believe it is that 80% of what ails US disease and illness wise comes from chronic inflammation.

Speaker 1: (33:10)
I’d say, well, there’s, there’s no question about that. And the two big, the two big ones, let’s face it. Um, heart disease and cancer, they both, they both come from chronic, they can come from chronic inflammation for sure. And, um, as also as a retired dentist, I don’t know if I told you that when we first met, but I’m a retired dentist. Mm-hmm. , um, chronic inflammation. I’ll tell you something, almost everybody has inflammation in their mouth because they’re just, it’s not being treated properly. But that’s something that we’ve see and that, and that goes into, that goes into your system. It’s, you know, everything’s connected. You know, you know that tennis, and I don’t have to tell you that everything’s connected , and when you’ve got chronic inflammation in your mouth, whether it’s in your gums or wherever, it’s, it’s traveling through your bloodstream and it’s, it’s going other places.

Speaker 2: (33:55)
Interesting. Yeah. Well, the, the, the, where this really plays into my theory is that, um, so a, a big piece of this all kind of came together, um, those three years ago when I started the company, I had done a, a very high dose psilocybin trip and had this excruciating headache and nausea for the next several hours after it ended. Is

Speaker 1: (34:23)
This, is this the same? So just, oh, sorry. But is this the same trip your, your original psilocybin trip? Or is this a, a, a trip after that?

Speaker 2: (34:32)
This was after, so this was a week or so after my four day fast.

Speaker 1: (34:37)
Tell me about, so tell me about that psilocybin trip, if you don’t mind.

Speaker 2: (34:41)
. So I, I wanted to test a bunch of ideas I had about how to intensify the trip, and they all worked . So the first one was to take eight grams of mushrooms, which was just all I had. Um,

Speaker 1: (34:59)
Well, I’ll in itself, that’ll work. You don’t have to do it. You just take it. You don’t have to do anything else. Yeah,

Speaker 2: (35:05)
I, I took every food I knew of that would have, um, a positive impact on cognition. And then when I felt the, uh, um, the peak coming on, I got in an ice bath and . Um, and there were a few other things I did, uh, that were insignificant because when I sat down into the ice bath, it was as if my consciousness flipped inside out. And I was seeing myself from the perspective of my shower head and my shower head from the perspective of me and also everything from the perspective of everything. It was as if I had been popped into a hyper spatial sense of awareness. And there was also, uh, oh, one of my arms just went up into a, a mora and I felt like I was emanating this like, shape of a, a Buddha figure. And it was very multicolored. And then I also at the same time was looking at it, it, the only way I know how to describe it is that I was also perceiving all of this from a higher dimension, like a fourth dimension of awareness.

Speaker 2: (36:24)
And I could tell that because there was a gap between me and everything, and it was like this chasm of transparency and I could see the edges of all of reality where edges couldn’t and shouldn’t be, nor could they be seen. But there I was seeing them. And the, at the, the, the last thing was there was this infinite sense of bliss that I could turn the dial up and down on using my voice and I could make my voice go into possibly high falsettos to get there, . And so that was , that was it for the next few hours. And I don’t remember much of what happened after that until the, the, uh, the crash I guess, that I had to pay for it all with after.

Speaker 1: (37:14)
That’s a great story. And, and, um, if I could just share something with you that happened to me just the other day, I mean, cuz it’s funny when you said you just tried to take anything possible or tried to eat anything possible that would enhance the experience. Um, so the other day I just did my regular old microdose, which was, uh, 0.25 gram of, of course dried mushroom 0.25, which is small, it’s a micro dose. But at the same time, I took a little, and it’s, this is not, um, calculator mathematical, I don’t even know how much it was, but I took, let’s just say I took a swig, I took a swig from a little bottle of C B D that I have, and then at the, I also ate two, um, lion’s, main mushroom capsules, so probably 250 milligrams each, so probably 500 milligrams of that.

Speaker 1: (38:05)
And between the three things now I’ve, I’ve been microdosing for a year and a half, and with 0.25 grams, I generally can hardly feel anything at all. But with everything I took together, and I’d like you to explain this maybe if you know the answer. With everything I took together, I felt this microdose as very strong. Now I can’t say it was like a true psychedelic trip, but like the entire day I felt this level of energy and this aura around me that was just like magical. And I’ve never felt that with a microdose like that before. But having combined it with my stack of C, b, D and of lions, man, something happened there.

Speaker 2: (38:49)
Yeah, I, you know, I’m, I’m glad you bring this up because it also ties into what I was meaning to loop back, which is this third thing I say you can expect at the bar. So my, uh, oh

Speaker 1: (39:02)
Wait, maybe wait a minute. Maybe, maybe was the bar, is it possible that I, maybe this ties into everything this has sent me on a tremendous trip from micro

Speaker 2: (39:13)
Well, so to tie all of this together, including what you were saying, um, the bar is designed kind of on the side, wink, wink to enhance a psychedelic trip. Uh, one because everything in it is geared to be, uh, is neuronutrition or neuro supportive? It actually, I feel like I’m on a microdose when I eat a bar most of the time. Um, and it, uh, so with the i, the anti-inflammatory nature of it, this is my theory that I’ve been kind of alluding to. I think that when you are in a psychedelic expanded state of awareness and that awareness is expanded in its perception of your own experience of your body, um, which I I would say projects that experience to form this your psychological state in many ways. And so if you don’t have inflammation kind of sounding the alarm and so much of us have chronic inflammation that we’ve just grown accustomed to, if that dies down, um, the way I, I guess the way I would put this is that the place that the psychedelic is trying to take you to, it’s a much smoother road to get there.

Speaker 2: (40:38)
And so it’s much easier to get there and more quickly and you’re able to perceive it with so much more clarity and not have to deal with the, um, psychological output from the inflammation. And again, this is all my, uh, theory about what’s going on. And so, um, I think that that’s what happens. And I’ve gotten a lot of, if not everyone I’ve ever asked that tried the bar with any psychedelic, even cannabis had a much smoother and cleaner experience. And I think if you add C B D, um, your cannabinoid system, especially if it’s full spectrum C B D is so satisfied that you’re able to, um, without having to work for it drop into a parasympathetic state. Um, and then all of just the factors of relaxation that come with C B D. And so you have this kind of dual effect of the C B D relaxing your sense of tension on a micro level, and then you have the psilocybin relaxing your sense of suppression on a, a site neurological and psychological level.

Speaker 2: (41:54)
And so you’re kind of opening up the stops on both ends. Um, and and I think that, and I have experienced this in moments that our natural state, if a person is able to sort of rest in the default of a higher level of what’s possible with our bodies as they’ve, um, evolved to be, it would likely feel a lot like a mushroom trip. Um, with just that expanded sense of awareness and body sensitivity and embodiment and everything that comes with it. Um, cuz I’ve had moments meditating or just being an incredible experience where the sense of wholeness alone brought me into what you could say as an altered state, but maybe is just a more true state. And that to me is the big benefit of psychedelics, is they give us these reference points and we know that it’s something that’s possible. And so we begin to sort of trend towards that naturally.

Speaker 1: (42:56)
That’s incredibly interesting. Tenon, I mean really, um, I’ll, I’ll tell you what I’d like to do, if it’s okay with you, I I like to really get a lot deeper into, um, the, you know, the non psychedelic mushrooms and talk to you about those as far as, um, inflamma inflammation and cognitive, uh, repair or enhancement or whatever. And, um, there’s so many more questions I want to ask you about mushrooms, whether they’re psychedelic or non psychedelic, and also about your, your business and some other things that, that just came to my mind while I’m talking to you. Um, can we, would you be willing to come back for like a, like a, like a part two?

Speaker 2: (43:34)
Yeah, I would absolutely love that. That would be a lot of fun.

Speaker 1: (43:38)
I think, I mean, I think we could just keep this conversation going. You’re, you’re re I mean, I knew when I met you the other day, uh, super interesting guy and I knew you’d be able to just run with this and, and, um, but before we, before we go for today, could you please let our viewers or listeners know how they can get in touch with your, you or your company or if they wanna order some of these? I’ll tell you, it’s funny, I didn’t even realize the other day when I told you I did the 0.25 microdose and, and the other things I did along with it sent me just sailing, if that’s like the right word. Um, yeah, I didn’t realize that maybe the bar could have played. Now I don’t think I had part of your bar in the morning, but it’s very possible the day before I had, because I think I hiked the day before and I probably had part of, part of a bar the day before, which probably is still in my system. So I didn’t even think about that aspect of it. But that’s, I, I’d hate to see, or actually I love this, what would happen if I took a little bit of a larger dose and also introduced these same things that I had for the microdose. We gotta talk about this stuff more how to, but how to in the meantime, in the meantime, how do people find you, your website, your products, all of that stuff?

Speaker 2: (44:49)
Okay, yeah. Um, the website is magic That’s magic m a GIC mgu. Then I have an Instagram magic dot mou, Facebook magic mou. You can email me tenon at Magic mou. Um, and right now the only physical location you can find me at is the, uh, Brighton Flea market of Big Cottonwood Canyon, which is one of the most beautiful places in Utah. So

Speaker 1: (45:21)
There’s, there’s more than, I’m really glad you brought that up cause I wasn’t, I I wasn’t even gonna talk about the flea market, but that’s where I met you about two. It’s, it’s every Sunday I think, right? Every Sunday. And um, so those of you that are either local to lake or can get to Salt Lake on, on vacation or you’re not that far, you could drive in Tenon was absolutely right. Um, the Cottonwood Canyons are perhaps some of the most beautiful canyons or beautiful areas, uh, geographically, geologically whatever, uh, that I’ve ever seen. And, and we’re, so we’re, we’re privy to have them right here. People travel from all over the world to see these canyons. Big Cottonwood canyon and little Cottonwood canyon. And so this flea market takes place every Sunday, basically all day long. I think, um, in Big Cottonwood Canyon, it’s a very top and it’s, it’s brightened ski resort and they kind of do like a little flea market in the parking lot. And that’s exactly where I met, where I met Tennison. So you say that’s the only place somebody could actually physically meet up with you right now?

Speaker 2: (46:22)
Right now, yeah. It’s a funny story and maybe we’ll get into it next time. Uh, I was in stores briefly at the beginning of this year and then had to pull everything back cause I needed to redo it. Um, and so within, I anticipate the next two to three months will start going into local stores and you know, then as the progression goes into regional and so on, um, I’ve, I’ve already spoken with a lot of the, the grocery stores around that people know about. So it’s only a matter of time.

Speaker 1: (47:01)
Well what I you, um, the, the, the product you had on your little table there that really caught my eye was the, um, what do you call it, the round little, um, is it like a truffled? What what is that exactly?

Speaker 2: (47:10)
Well, I’ve been calling them mou power balls, power

Speaker 1: (47:14)

Speaker 2: (47:14)
Power balls, just the new, the new formulation of the bar. But right now I’ve gotta make them by hand and so they’re balls .

Speaker 1: (47:20)
Well, if you don’t mind me saying this, um, they, I, I bought one, only one. I should have bought more. They was, it was delicious. I, I, I ate half of it and immediately found, found my wife and had her eat the other half cause it was delicious then. So that was so good. I bought, um, I had like got a drink from you. What was that? Some kind of um, some kind of coffee with mushrooms, something in it. What was that exactly?

Speaker 2: (47:43)
Yeah, so I’ve, I’ve been making my own cold brew and uh, I’ve got these mushroom shots, which is just a powder blend. You only need about a tape or a teaspoon of it to put add to the coffee. Um, which it balances out all the negative side effects and enhances all the positive effects of coffee. So it’s kind of the perfect marriage. I compare it to avocados and toast. They need to be together.

Speaker 1: (48:08)
, , . It was really good. And then I like that so much and I like you, honestly, I liked you. I said, what the heck, I following a whole box of these .

Speaker 1: (48:19)
Anyway, that’s what I want. I wanted to have a little, have you as a guest because I I love talking to you. You’re like the real deal. Um, I I I I wanna mention you and your company cuz I think, I think your future with this thing could be fantastic. I’m super interested in this stuff, obviously. So I’m glad we got together. I’m glad we met at Brighton and I’m glad we’re able to do this even though you’re probably right now little, literally I could probably look at my front door and scream and you can and wave. Yeah.

Speaker 2: (48:46)
Yeah. How the rest of it

Speaker 1: (48:48)
. So let’s do this, let’s get you back. We’ll I, I’ve got so many more things I want to ask you and maybe next time we can even do live to figure out how to set up the camera shots, but maybe we could do it live in, um, in my living room or somewhere that might, that might work too. We’ll, we’ll, however we do it, we’ll do it.

Speaker 2: (49:03)
Sure, yeah. Sounds great.

Speaker 1: (49:06)
So thanks, thanks so much Tanon. I really appreciate you taking your time. Um, and we’ll, you and I will talk offline and we’ll, we’ll get another date for part two of this

Speaker 2: (49:15)
Thing. Okay. Awesome. Thank you David. I so appreciate it. It’s been a lot of fun.

Speaker 3: (49:20)
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Speaker 1: (00:00)
Hey there, it’s Dr. Dave. I wanna share with you perhaps one of the coolest things that I’ve experienced, or that’s happened to me since I began my microdose journey over 18 months ago. So, fasten your seat belts. This is gonna be a great one.

Speaker 1: (00:28)
Hey there. Welcome back, Dr. Dave Micro Dose. You. How are you? I really appreciate you. And, um, before I get going, I got a great, great special episode for you today. By the way, you’re gonna really enjoy this and I think it’s gonna shed some light on your journey and on your life for sure. But before we get into it, oh my God, the, the best gift you could possibly give, if you wanna give a gift to me, is . It doesn’t cost you anything except maybe 30 seconds of your time. Go onto wherever you’re listening to this podcast episode and give me a good, honest review. Uh, that’s the best thing you could do. I really appreciate it. Many of you’re listening on Apple Podcasts, uh, whatever it might be, Spotify, you know, iHeart, whatever, whatever it is, please just go in there, get me a review.

Speaker 1: (01:11)
Every single one helps. And I wanna thank so many of you that have already done this, but if you haven’t done it, what are you waiting for? Go ahead, please do it now. Put it on pauses, put this on pauses right now, and go do it. Just so you don’t forget, and we’ll get right back into the episode. Okay. Thank you so much for leaving that review. I really appreciate that. So, um, a little bit of background is in order. Um, many of you know that I am a retired dentist, and I think probably a lot of my, oh, anxiety and life began around the time I was in dental school. Believe it or not, that’s supposed to be like a great time of your life. You know, you got nothing but great things ahead and a great profession. But I think for some reason, I was not exactly sure about my profession and not, uh, or my, the profession I was about to enter into it.

Speaker 1: (01:59)
And dental school was very difficult. And so with all these things combined, not being sure the difficulty of studying and, and getting through requirements, it caused a a lot of anxiety. It kind of set the stage, I think, for anxiety in my life. Um, once I got into dentistry, once I graduated from dental school, I started practicing dentistry. And, um, I just always felt it was not really exactly what I was meant to do in my life. I, I think I had a, a, a bigger purpose and, and dentistry was maybe a stepping stone to get to where I wanted to be, but I just didn’t feel right about it. I just, I just never really loved it. So when I, as I was practicing, I was always trying to come up with ideas to, um, you know, maybe, uh, start another business or, or develop something that a side gig or a side hustle as we say now.

Speaker 1: (02:47)
But, um, I just, I just knew that dentistry was not gonna be in my, um, in, in my, uh, in my life for forever. I just, I just had a strong feeling. So I did ultimately figure out a few things, start another business, and I did this with my brother Rich, who’s also a dentist. And we ended up becoming, um, kind of like dental KOLs, which stands for Key Opinion Leaders. We became pretty famous in dentistry, and, uh, that meant we published newsletters and audio series and, and, um, we did a lot of seminars and coaching and things like that. But one of the things I did was in our coaching and in our seminars and conferences, that we actually, we owned a major dental conference in Las Vegas for dentists. And so one of the things I would do would be, I’d be, it would be very common for me to be speaking in front of large audiences, well, actually all size audiences, but, but, um, a lot of them were very large.

Speaker 1: (03:41)
And, and by my standards at least, I mean, I would be up on stage sometimes in a, um, a big conference hall speaking to several thousand people in the audience. Um, and it was really cool. I mean, it felt really good to, to be able to help so many people and have such a following and, and travel from city to city and speak. It was a great thing for many years, but there came a point where I just, the anxiety started creeping in again. And don’t get me wrong now, back when I was doing this business with my brother Rich, I, I, I loved it. I mean, I really, we had a great time. We have some fantastic memories. Um, and I wouldn’t trade it for anything. However, um, I think being in front of people, the speaking, the traveling, at some point, it just started getting to me.

Speaker 1: (04:34)
I, I can’t say exactly when, but I just felt like it went from being a lot of fun and looking forward to it, like almost every day to this is really becoming a burden. This is becoming too much. I, I really don’t wanna speak in front of large audiences anymore. I’m getting a little bit more anxious. I just don’t, don’t know where my life is going. So it, it, it started going downhill a little bit. Well, actually, not a little bit, a lot . And that’s really when I started experiencing a, a great part of my anxiety when I just felt like, okay, maybe I’ve had enough with this, but I didn’t really know what to do. Then my wife and I moved to Utah and we love Utah, but then Covid hit just a very short time after we moved here. So c hit, my business is still going, I’m still quote unquote a dental speaker and supposed to have speaking gig, but Covid pretty much, you know, wiped all those out.

Speaker 1: (05:28)
So I’m hanging around the house a lot. Luckily, since we’re in Utah, we, we got to go out and hike the mountains and, and do things outdoors that were not dangerous. You know, a lot of people were just quarantined inside if you’re depending on where you live, but we were lucky to be able to do things here that, you know, God is get getting, God is going out and everything like that. Um, but Covid came, um, my, my anxiety and then, and then some depression started kicking it even worse and worse and worse. I had like, just no, no real drive to do anything. I was getting tired all the time. Then I had insomnia and I was just trying to take naps all day every day. It was, it was, it was really, really difficult. And I’ve talked to you about a lot of the stuff that I experienced.

Speaker 1: (06:12)
So then after the, um, pharmaceuticals, you know, I was on Lexapro. I’ve told you all this at Lexapro and a little bit of diazepam here and there just to calm, calm me down. Um, that’s when I discovered microdosing magic, mushrooms, psilocybin. And I was, I, I wanted to learn every single thing I could about this, cuz I, I, I figured in on some level, this was maybe my last chance, like my life is, is getting to be very difficult, anxiety, depression, uh, PTSD from, from mar from a previous marriage. And I just felt like, and I was feeling horrible. My blood pressure was going up. Things were just really, really bad. So I was, I was kind of hoping and betting that this microdose journey would, would take care of everything, turned my life around. It would be the last thing I needed to do to fix myself.

Speaker 1: (07:00)
So, a little over 18 months ago, as I’m recording this now, probably 19, 20 months ago, something like that, um, it’s hard to keep track. When it started getting close to two years, um, I started my microdosing journey and almost right away I started feeling considerably better. Now many of you are looking for overnight success, and I’ve, I’ve done many episodes trying to share this with you, that everybody’s different. And with some people it could take a lot longer with me. Luckily, it, it was, it was fairly quick. However, you don’t know what you don’t know because as good as I start, I was as good as I thought I was starting to feel. It seemed like every month just got better and better. So just when I felt like I’m here, I’m cured, I feel better than the next month. I felt even a little bit calmer and better.

Speaker 1: (07:50)
Fast forward to, um, 18, 19 months down the road, I I can honestly say that right now I’m at a point where I just feel like I’m exactly where I want it to be. I, I should have been here my whole life. I mean, this is where I should have been feeling good every day. That doesn’t mean you don’t have problems and troubles and, you know, fights with friends and family members. That doesn’t mean but, but we’re able to handle them, handle what life deals so much better now that I just have a sense of purpose and calm and my anxiety is gone and my depression is, is gone. Totally. I just feel like this is what life really should feel like. Okay, so why am I, why am I giving you a little background? Which I’ve given you a lot of this, but, but I went into a little more detail here today because two weeks ago I did something that I don’t think I would’ve ever been able to do if I hadn’t started on my microdose magic mushroom journey.

Speaker 1: (08:51)
And what I did was I actually got up on stage at a major comedy club here in Salt Lake City. It’s not just like the back room of some bar. This is a major, a real comedy club where they have a true stage, a microphone, beautiful background drapes behind you, a sign that says, um, what is it called? Wise Guys, comedy Club, something like that. Um, and a real audience. I mean, at least a hundred people in the audience. I got up on stage and I did a three minute comedy set. Now, was I fantastic? No, I was, I was okay if I had to, if you asked me how I could rate, how, if I had to rate myself, what I would, how I would rate my performance, and again, they limit, they limit the standup comics on an open mic night to three minutes.

Speaker 1: (09:38)
So they kind of, you know, if somebody’s really bad, you get through and you get to the next one. So nobody’s ever up on stage for 10 minutes and everybody’s in the audience is agony. Now, I don’t think that’s what happened when I was on stage. I, I would rate my performance a solid six, six to seven outta 10, let’s say six outta 10. Let’s say six outta 10, which is not bad, not bad at all. First time getting up on stage in any capacity, on a stage, in any capacity in at least three years. Now, I went from a time where I, I had no desire to ever get up on a stage again and speak to what audience, to, Hey, I think I’m gonna try standup comedy. Let’s give it a shot three minutes in front of an audience. I can do this and guess what?

Speaker 1: (10:24)
I did it and I feel great about it and I’m gonna do it again, and I’m gonna improve every single time I do it. Am I ever gonna be a famous comic? No, that’s not in the cart. But, but can I have some fun as a sideline hobby doing it and just, and it’s being creative and getting up on stage and talking about life and things like that? Absolutely, I can. Now is this episode geared to asking you to do something like get up on stage and become a standup comic? No, not at all. But it is showing you that pretty much when you decide to change your life and turn your life around from what it was in my, in my case, uh, depression, anxiety, uh, post trauma, uh, just assortment of other things that go along with those as far as health problems, uh, I was able to totally, totally turn my life around through microdosing magic mushrooms.

Speaker 1: (11:21)
So let’s say you’re in a situation where you’ve lost some motivation. You’ve lost the, like oomph in your life to go do things. Maybe you had hobbies that you just don’t feel interested anymore. Maybe you wanna go out and, and run a mile, or maybe you wanna do a 5K or, or a marathon. What, it doesn’t even matter what the distance is. Let’s say you have a dream. Let’s say you wanna travel the world or travel to Europe or any place, it doesn’t really matter. But because what you’ve been going through, you just have not been able to do any of that, and you just don’t know where to turn. I’m here, here to be your cheerleader. I’m here to tell you that you can do what you want. You can get your life back together. You can feel good every single day, but you have to get started and you can’t be afraid to start.

Speaker 1: (12:05)
And you can’t just keep asking question after question after question after question and never get going. If you truly want to change your life, I’ve given you the information and I will continue to give the information to keep this going. I want you to please remember, nothing that I have given you on any, on this episode or any episode is to be taken as medical, uh, medical information or, or medical recommendations or anything like that. This is, I’m just relating my story to you. You can extrapolate inter interpolate, uh, change it around whatever you wanna do, but I, I, I still recommend speak to your healthcare professional, find out what’s best for you, and do something because I’m telling you, if I had not done this microdose journey over the past, uh, I don’t know what, 19 months, let’s call it 19 months. If I’ve not done it, I don’t know where I’d be right now.

Speaker 1: (13:00)
And, you know, that’s scary. Okay? I hope this helped at least one of you today. Uh, I have a feeling it probably helped a lot more than one. I just, I just had that feeling. Until next time. Um, Dr. Dave, and remember, if you’re not a subscriber yet, what do you press the subscribe button wherever you are, wherever listening, just press subscribe. I don’t want you to miss any of my upcoming episodes because let me tell you, they’re gonna be awesome. I got some great stuff coming for you. I’m Dr. Dave, this is Microdose you. Thank you for being here with me. Love you.

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245 – This Magic Mushroom Stack Was Crazy Good

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Speaker 1: (00:00)
Hey, let me tell you about this magic mushroom stack that I did yesterday. It was actually unbelievable. First of all, I just wanna welcome you to microdose, you. I’m Dr. Dave. This is not medical advice. I just share things that are going on in my life with microdosing, psilocybin, and magic mushrooms and more. So yesterday I felt it was a good day for a micro dose, and I woke up in the morning and what I did, um, in addition to actually microdosing my 250 milligrams of psilocybin mushroom, so it’s two 50 milligrams, as you know, is 0.25 gram. I also took a, uh, I took some CBD. Now you’re gonna ask me, Well, how much did you take? And the answer is, I don’t know. I just took a little squi from a bottle of, of CBD that I had, so I don’t really know how much it was, but if I had to guess, I’d probably say it was in the neighborhood of 50, 60 milligrams.

Speaker 1: (00:57)
But it’s just, that’s a total guess. I don’t know. I didn’t measure it. I, I’m honest about it. I did not measure anything. And in addition to the CBD and the magic mushrooms, I also took, um, two little capsules of lion’s, main mushrooms. Now those are, these are totally, um, non psychedelic. They’re legal. You can get them on Amazon. They come, they generally come in capsule form. And I took two capsules, and I believe the capsules were each, uh, 250 milligrams. I somewhere right around 200, 2 50 milligrams. So, so about about 500 milligrams of lion’s, main mushrooms. Didn’t think much of it. Don’t ask me why I did it like that, but I just, for some reason, I just did. Um, I’ve had success in the past with C B D potentiating mushrooms and vice versa. So I just felt like, I don’t know, I was just in the mood to do that, and I just gave it a try.

Speaker 1: (01:49)
Um, about an hour later, I started feeling the effect of the mushrooms. Now, um, you know, you might say, Well, maybe it was the effect of the C B D. Maybe it was the effect of the lions made. Well, you could say that, but neither of those are, um, psychoactive at all. So you can ingest them and, and they’re good for you. They do many things as far as, um, combat anxiety, uh, good for cognitive brain function, things like that. But, but they don’t, they don’t give you any kind of high or they’re not psychoactive at all. The only thing I took that was psycho psychoactive was the magic mushrooms. So, as I was saying, about an hour later, I started like, really feeling this. Now, remember also, um, 0.25 gram is a microdose 250 milligrams, same thing. It’s a microdose. You’re not really supposed to feel a microdose.

Speaker 1: (02:42)
You’re supposed to feel maybe, um, how can I explain this? Like, definitely not psychoactive, definitely not tripping, definitely not high, but, but maybe like a good feeling. But I felt much more than just a good feeling. This was, um, I mean, I can’t say strong in, uh, as a, like a, um, like a psychedelic trip. It was nothing like that. I could totally function. I went out, my wife and I went to REI to exchange some stuff and buy some stuff, and, um, went to Target and did some shopping. So totally, totally function. But I like for hours, I’d say for a good part of the day, for most of the day, I had this like aura, um, how else can I phrase this? Um, like a glow, a feeling of, um, happiness. But more than just feeling happy, I definitely felt something like my body, I don’t know if you can call like a body high, but I wasn’t high, but it was like this glowy feeling that maybe, maybe I can’t explain it, but it was very, very definite.

Speaker 1: (04:01)
Absolutely. There it was. It was not a placebo. I’ve, I’ve been microdosing magic mushrooms for a year and a half now. I know placebo and I know when it’s not a placebo. This, this was absolutely not a placebo. No, no way. It, it, but it was this very, I’d say very, very interesting feeling that I had for a good part of the day. And it was a feeling like it was a good thing. It was, it was not scary at all. I didn’t think I was gonna go into some, you know, um, anxiety mode or be high or trippy that I couldn’t drive or function. It was nothing like that. Nothing like that at all. It was more, um, just a, um, a very, very positive, I would say strong glow, if that makes sense. I, i, I don’t know if that’s like a great descript or a strong glow.

Speaker 1: (04:57)
What does that mean? Well, I don’t really have a word to describe what it felt like, because I’ve never really had like this type of feeling before. Maybe I’ve had the feeling if I took a little bit more than a microdose, maybe that type of feeling, but maybe not. It’s hard, it’s hard to explain. Um, would I do it again? Yes, absolutely. Um, would I try it maybe with even a little bit of a stronger dose of mushrooms? Yes, possibly. Because I don’t know if it was the C B D or the Lion’s main, or a combination of both with the magic mushrooms that really just sent me, sent me out there. And again, that’s meant to be in a positive, set me out there is meant to be in a very positive, uh, way. Not, not nega. There was no negativity at all with this.

Speaker 1: (05:49)
Nothing bad. Um, so I just wanted to share this with you. So I also wanna tell you, be careful, because if you’re doing a microdose and you’re also adding something else to it, but again, such as what I did yesterday, c b D oil or you know, some cbd D is, is very, very commonly used, especially people that have like anxiety. Um, it’s, it’s common. And when I used to take CBD alone before I really even knew anything about mushrooms, um, it worked for a little while, but then it stopped working and I just got kind of disenchanted with it and just kind of put it off to the side. But, but lately, when I found out that it can actually work better if you use microdosing, um, I bought some more, and so I just had some, like lying around. I, I don’t use it regularly, but I had some lying on the shelf and I just, what the heck?

Speaker 1: (06:37)
And maybe there was a reason yesterday, maybe I felt like I needed some extra, like mph or some extra help. So maybe I just took a little, I know it’s not scientific, but I took just a little swig from the bottle there. Um, but I want you to be careful because if you are doing this, everybody’s different. And if you are taking even like a 0.25 microdose or even something a little bit larger and you add these two things to it, um, just be very careful because I don’t know, you know, if it’s gonna be feel a lot stronger to you, I’m just, I’m just not sure. There’s no way to really tell. So I just wanted to throw this out there. Maybe I’ll call this Dr. Dave’s magic mushroom stag. That would be pretty funny if that called on, wouldn’t it? I’d be like, famous for this like, stack, but probably people have done this anyway, so I’m probably not the one that even invented this.

Speaker 1: (07:23)
But, um, if you, if you wanna try it, I would probably try it with like a slightly less dose of the mushrooms. I’d probably try with, maybe try it first with a hundred milligrams or 150 milligrams. And, um, again, I’m not sure how much cbd, but let’s say, let’s say maybe do 30 to 50 milligrams of CBD and then take, um, a couple lion’s main capsules and, um, just see what happens. Um, I don’t think anything bad. I, I just really don’t think anything bad will happen at all. It’ll be, I think it’ll be very interesting. And if you achieve the state that I was in, um, good for you. We’ll call this Dr. Dave’s Magic Mushroom Stack of Success. Okay? Wanna share that with you. Um, keep in mind, I I, whenever I put out an episode, it’s always on my YouTube channel right here, which is Microdose u along with my, uh, podcast channel.

Speaker 1: (08:18)
It’s also called Microdosing You, that’s an audio podcast. It’s, it’s on, um, Apple Podcast and probably whatever else, wherever else you listen to your podcast. I’m sure you could find it. Um, I’ve got a resource page and I’ll put the link in the show notes. It’s basically, um, frequently asked questions about microdosing. So if you’re a beginner and wanna know a little bit more about microdosing or where to start, um, check out my FAQs on my page and I’ll, I’ll share the link right down there and on in the description. So next time. Dr. Dave, thank you so much for attending class at Microdose U. See you later. Hey, it’s Dr. Dave coming back to you after the show. I really appreciate you being here. And

Speaker 2: (08:54)
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Special Episode – Eight Things That I Felt Every Day Before I Began Microdosing

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Speaker 1: (00:00)
Hey there. Today I’m gonna share with you eight things that I felt every single day before I started Microdosing. So let’s get into it right now.

Speaker 1: (00:24)
Hey there, how are you? Welcome, Dr. Dave here Microdose U, and I really appreciate you being here, and this is a special episode, and some people might be asking me, Well, what, what exactly is a special episode? You seem to be doing one of these like almost every week, and that’s true. See, when I first started doing this audio podcast here, I just kind of, uh, used repurposed my, um, videos that I’ve got on my, on my Microdose u uh, Microdose U YouTube channel, and I just kind of turned them into an audio version, and they’re generally around anywhere from five minutes to 10 minutes long. But you all want something more than that. I know you ask me for it, I want to give it to you. So these special episodes tend to be a little bit longer. They’re more of a, uh, a longer length, and I go into more detail.

Speaker 1: (01:07)
So let’s see how this goes. And the special episodes might actually turn out to be the regular episodes. And by the way, after the episode here, um, make sure you meet up with this over in my new Facebook group. It’s a, it’s a great place where we have a lot of interaction. You can ask questions. Um, I’ve got other people there that if I’m not, if I’m not, I try to be there as much as possible. But if I’m not there, um, you’ll get great answers from some of my other experts and moderators. And it’s just a wonderful place. It’s a loving, caring place to be. So I’ll drop the, um, link in the show notes in the description. Um, please join us there. And remember the greatest gift you can give me, I don’t ask you for anything other than the greatest gift you can give me is a, a good honest review here.

Speaker 1: (01:49)
Uh, wherever you’re listening to the podcast, just go on your platform and it really does help the show. So let’s get right into it. Um, I’m Dr. Dave in case we haven’t met formally before. But, um, I wanna share with you eight things that I felt pretty much every single day before I started my microdosing, which was, at this point is probably about a year end, eight months ago, like closing in on, you know, over a year and a half ago. And I’ve had tremendous success. But before the microdosing, I would wake up almost every single morning and feel just like this anxiety that’s there now. I thought I slept fairly well, I mean, decent enough that why would, and you know, why would I wake up and have this anxiety when the day hadn’t even started yet? I could never figure that out, but it was a, a weird feeling.

Speaker 1: (02:45)
My heart would be beating faster. I’d just be like on edge. And it’s, it’s very hard to describe other than I can tell you. It was an anxious feeling that I knew shouldn’t have been there. And a lot of times this kind of just persisted into the, the day now when I started my, when I, when my docs started me on Lexapro, which is an antidepressant and anti-anxiety, and it’s an SSRI selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor type of pharmaceutical. It absolutely did help the anxiety some, but not a hundred percent. And I had to supplement some days if I really started feeling very anxious with a benzo. And that wasn’t good. I, that’s like the last thing I felt like doing is being on benzos. So it just, and, and sometimes also I would take a, even a, um, a very small amount of either C b, D or even small THC just to kind of get me through the day.

Speaker 1: (03:35)
It, it was not the way I wanted to feel, not the way I wanted to live my life, not the way I felt was, was normal, shouldn’t be like this, but it was. And I just didn’t know what to do except for what I was doing at that time, which was everything I just outlined to you. I had not started the magic mushroom regimen yet. So that’s the way I felt Also, um, depression. Now, my depression was never really bad, but it did get better and worse sometimes. Like I still to this day, remember, um, a day, it was a Saturday afternoon, my wife and I were walking from our house to into downtown Salt Lake, and I had nothing to be depressed about, Nothing to be sad about. My life was good. However, I just had this weird feeling something just wasn’t right. It, I don’t know exactly how to put it into words, but something didn’t feel right.

Speaker 1: (04:30)
It wasn’t that I was sad, but I just felt, God, how can I describe it? I guess, I guess the best way would be depressed. So again, my, um, doc ultimately put me on the Lexapro, and that did help some, but it, as far as I was concerned, it was just not a solution that I wanted to live with for the rest of my life. It, it worked. Sometimes it worked, sometimes well, sometimes not so well. I still had good and bad days, and I just knew that wasn’t the answer. So that’s why I was looking for something else. And ultimately, I would find the microdosing, but I wasn’t really quite there yet. I had brain fog. Um, what that means is sometimes I just couldn’t think clearly. You know, I just, I just, my cognitive ability just didn’t seem to be what it should have been at, at my age.

Speaker 1: (05:24)
At my age, I’m, I’m, you know, I was, I’m in my sixties, But let’s face it, your brain does not start dissolving away in your sixties, or it should not. And I’ve proven that because since my regimen of, of magic mushrooms, I am, I totally lost all the, um, brain fog, and I can think clear now than ever. But, but on a typical day, I just was kind of just going through the motions. Um, brain couldn’t think, right? It just, oh, it, it wasn’t fun. It, it, it, it was not the way I was supposed to live, nor was the way I wanted to live. Here’s another thing that I experienced almost every day when I would drive, I would, um, if I was driving long enough, a little bit more than just around town. So for example, um, I live in Salt Lake. I was driving up the canyon into Park City or on a highway for, um, a little bit longer than 10, 15 minutes.

Speaker 1: (06:19)
I would start to get into this trance where, and it was not a good trance. It was, it was not a good thing. It just, I just felt like I was almost in a hypnotic state. I didn’t feel good. My anxiety kicked in, and I just didn’t feel that it was good for me to drive. And the longer I would drive, the worse it would get. And yeah, my heart would start racing more. And if the weather was bad, I remember one time driving back down the canyon from Park City back down to Salt Lake, and, and I almost had an anxiety attack because it started snowing. It was dark. It was just a very, very horrible experience that I just don’t think anybody should ever have to go through. Something just wasn’t right. I hadn’t figured it out yet at that point, but that’s the way I felt.

Speaker 1: (07:02)
I felt uneasy driving, unsafe driving, not good, especially, um, in a weather condition or darkness or, um, a canyon road that just, um, it just, it just wasn’t good and it wasn’t right. I also felt a lot of, um, I, I guess the right word would be if this is even a wordly, unmotivated unmotivating, not motivated. That might be a better word. I don’t even know, But, but you get the point. I just, sometimes I just felt like I couldn’t do things. I ended up, uh, lying around the house a lot, laying on the sofa, tired. Um, sometimes I just didn’t even, I wasn’t comfortable even getting on the phone, uh, talking to people that I love and people that I normally love to talk with. I just, getting on the phone and having a conversation was, was difficult because it was stressful. It made me anxious.

Speaker 1: (07:58)
Um, my brain fog was, it made it difficult to have a good conversation. So it just, and the longer I talked on the phone with somebody, the worse it got. So I just, unfortunately, I ended up avoiding the phone a lot. And even again, this is really something that I’m not proud of and something that I’m not happy with. But, but even with loved ones, I just did not want to get on the phone often. And it just, um, I, I, I, I was honest with everybody. I said, I said, It’s just not a good time for me to talk on the phone. It’s just not good for me. So it, it was terrible. It was a really, really bad situation that I was in. Um, work as far as my un motivation or not being not motivated, I just couldn’t get things done. I wanted to make videos for my channel.

Speaker 1: (08:39)
I wanted to do writing. It just, it was very, very difficult to get anything done sometimes. And related to that also was, um, fatigue and insomnia. I, I told you in, in the last portion here that I just sometimes ended up just lying around the house. Sometimes it actually got even a lot worse that I would just lay down on the sofa fatigue, and in the middle of the day, just felt like I had to sleep for an hour to two hours, sometimes even three hours. It was horrible. Um, I was too tired sometimes to go out and do things. Um, at night, my insomnia kicked in, so it was either hard for me to get to sleep, or if I woke up to use the bathroom, say like one in the morning, midnight, somewhere in the middle of the night, sometimes it was very difficult for me to get back to sleep.

Speaker 1: (09:27)
And that created a vicious cycle because then in the morning, I’d be tired, I’d wake up. Most people are refreshed in the morning, but I would get up and I’d have to take a nap. Literally. I remember I would get up in the morning, um, let’s say it would be 7, 7 30 8:00 AM I’d come down, make some coffee, sit on the sofa, But then I would find myself just kind of going into this like stupor sense of feeling that I just need to take another nap. And I, I just woke up. It was really, really a horrible feeling. And I just felt like I, I didn’t even know what the answer was at that point. It was just, it, nobody had the answer for me. It was just really, really bad. Also, um, along with all this, I felt like I had a lack of libido.

Speaker 1: (10:11)
I just didn’t feel like I wanted to be intimate or, or, uh, just, you know, have any type of relationship like that. It just, it just didn’t feel like it was on the forefront of what I wanted to do. And it just, that makes life just not, not great. You know, when you just can’t do the things or you don’t feel like you want to do the things that you’re, that you want to do. It just, something’s not right there. And, and again, at that point, I hadn’t figured it out exactly yet, but this is the way I felt every single day of my life, or at least almost every single day, or at least many of these things off and on. Every day they alternated. Sometimes days were better, sometimes days were worse. But one of the worst things that happened to me was that I began questioning my health and began questioning how long am I gonna be around and how long am I gonna be able to live like this?

Speaker 1: (11:07)
Because I just felt my life was going downhill and nothing was getting better. And it was just, um, it wa I just, it just felt like it wasn’t the way that I should live or wanted to live, and I, I, I just didn’t know what to do. So that’s when I started researching. Again, I was on Lexapro that did start helping somewhat, but not enough for me. And I started researching solutions. And that’s when I found out about psilocybin and using magic mushrooms. And again, like you, if you’ve been listening to me for a while now, you know that I’ve been on this regimen of plant medicine with magic mushrooms for, uh, let’s just say, let’s see, 18, 19, 19, 20 months. Something in that, you know, going on two years, but not quite two years yet. Um, and they have totally changed the way I feel. Every single one of these eight bullet points that I just outlined, which were the anxiety, worry, depression, brain fog, driving, trans unmotivated, uh, fatigue, insomnia, lack of libido, questioning how much longer I had to do this.

Speaker 1: (12:22)
Um, and, and again, I never had suicidal thoughts. It, it’s not a suicidal thing, but I just questioned my health and how long I would actually be doing living like this. So it was just horrible. But then once I figured out the answer, the solution, the magic mushrooms, what they could do for me and how they could change my life, everything changed. And I’m sitting here this morning, I’m drinking a cup of coffee, and I’m in my house. I just got back from a little road trip. I’m gonna be going, um, up to the mountains and do a little skiing today. It’s just, my life has totally turned around and it’s awesome, but I don’t, I’m afraid to even think where I’d be if I hadn’t started this regimen of psilocybin magic mushroom. So my, um, thoughts that I’m gonna share with you today are the most important step and the most difficult step you can take.

Speaker 1: (13:24)
These steps are to get started. Because again, so many people that I share or, uh, my, my, um, journey with and, and they share theirs with me. And one of the most common things is I hear that I hear is they’re researching and thinking about it and doing it, and wondering whether they should do it, but they don’t get started yet. And that’s the thing that really worries me, because if I would’ve been in that situation and said to myself, Well, it looks good. I may do this, I don’t know. I’m not sure I need to ask more questions. I’m not positive. I don’t even know where I would be right now. It’s scary to think that because my life was just unraveling in a, in a very, very bad way in, in a way that I never, ever thought would happen to me. I’m one that at least as far as I know, never experienced these mental health issues and, and which turned into physical issues and, and crazy days, I I, when I was growing up, I never really experienced these.

Speaker 1: (14:26)
But now I see a lot of the things in my past that set the, set the groundwork for this to happen. I wish I would’ve known about this 40 years ago. I would’ve changed some things the way I did in my life. I would’ve recognized them. I would’ve, who knows what? I would’ve made a lot of changes. Let’s just say that. But I didn’t. It’s never too late, though. I urge you, please, if you can identify with what I’m sharing with you, if you could, if you have even some of the things that I’ve talked about today and you’re considering using Civil Simon or magic mushrooms, and again, I wanna stress, this is not medical advice. Um, I can’t give you true medical advice. This is my life journey. But you can listen to my life journey and see if it has, if you know, if you can, um, relate to any of it.

Speaker 1: (15:16)
And if so, then there’s a very good chance that if you follow what I did, it is likely to work for you as well. It’s the best thing I’ve done in my life, or at least the best thing that I can think of in the last decade or two, for sure. There’s no question in my mind. I wish you health, success, love, peace. You deserve all of this. I wish you a good life that you don’t have to deal with these mental health issues anymore, any longer, any, just, nobody should have to deal with this. So thanks for being with me. Um, this is microdose you again, let’s meet over the Facebook group. The link is in the description, the show notes. Please meet over there. We can chat about any of this. I’m so appreciative that I’m able to share this with you, and I’m also appreciative that you’re able to be here and listening to my story and hopefully it’s helping you. Until next time, I’m Dr. Dave. I do love you.

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244 – Microdosing and Hiking at Alta Utah

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Speaker 1: (00:00)
Hey guys, how are you? Dr. Dave Microdose. You. Today’s gonna be a little bit of a different episode because I’m doing a hike. Uh, we’re, I’m hiking actually with my wife and a friend of ours, and we’re in, uh, little Cottonwood Canyon in Utah. Um, this is where I live in Utah. I live, it’s only takes me about, um, 30 minute drive to get into little, the top of little Cottonwood Canyon. And I just love it here. And what I wanted to share with you today is it’s a special hike because I did about a 0.3 gram microdose when we first started, or just need look before we first started. So it made the hike really, how can I say this? And sorry, I’m out of breath. I mean, we’re at 10,000 feet right now, roughly. Um, it made the hike really, really interesting and fun.

Speaker 1: (01:02)
And I’m the type of person my personality is such that after I hike for a little while, ah, you know, I get it. I just don’t feel like going any further. I, I get it, it’s fine. But today, like I didn’t feel like that. Now, right now, if I speak wor on our way down from the summit where we hiked to, we, but I’m gonna show you some, share some pictures with you, actually some pictures of video of us hiking up as well. But as I’m recording this part of it, uh, we already turned around, so I’m actually not as out of breath as I was going up, but still, we’re 10,000 feet. And so Salt Lake is at 4,200. So to come up here, it’s another mile plus into the air. So even though I’m acclimated, totally acclimated at 4,200 feet where I live, you know, coming up to 10,000, you know, you definitely feel it.

Speaker 1: (01:58)
So you feel it. But I feel great and I, I, I’ll tell you, I, I do, I do attribute a lot of this to, um, how microdosing has rewired my brain, changed my life. My wife actually a few minutes ago said, Dave, watch you be careful. You’re on a cliff and you’re, I know you’re afraid of heights. And I looked at her and said, Hey, you know, not anymore. I’m not. I just, I don’t have that fear. There are a lot of things that I used to fear that I just don’t feel like I do anymore. It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s changed my life, guys. It really has. And I’m really happy to show you some of the beauty, Um, hiking here in Little Cottonwood Canyon. Um, here, let me turn this around. Here’s first glimpse of my wife ever in video, I think, and our friend, Where’s my wife?

Speaker 1: (02:53)
Where’s they’re back there somewhere. I think you can see them, maybe see them. Um, if you all want, let me know in the comments. If you all want, I’ll let you, I’ll do some more outdoor videos. Um, so I’ll be like talking as, as I’m hiking or doing something, maybe paddle boarding or just to show you the beauty. And, and I’ve not lived here all my life. We just moved here a few years ago because I wanted a change in my life. It, um, the east Coast was not doing it for me anymore. Um, I lived there pretty much all my life. And, um, it’s not, it’s not the way we wanted to live. I’m not dissing the East Coast, or, I mean, I’ve got a ton of friends and family, and probably a lot of you that are watching live on the east coast of the US and I’m certainly not dissing it.

Speaker 1: (03:46)
It’s, it’s beautiful. But I lived there for many, many decades, , um, and we just said, Look, we wanna live amongst Beau. This is what I live amongst every day. Look at this, look at the, look at the panoramic is, this is, so we’re basically, if you wanna know where we are, little Cottonwood Canyon. And if you ever ski, this is like ski al. We’re at the, actually on the mountain where people ski alpha, my wife and I ski alto in the winter. It’s really cool singing in the summer because it, it looks totally different and you don’t even, it’s hard to even figure out where your bearings are. Like, Oh look, we ski over there. But sometimes it’s hard to really tell because in the winter it’s totally snow covered and it looks, it just looks very different. So it’s amazing. Um, so how do I feel on the, how do I feel on the 0.3 grams?

Speaker 1: (04:32)
Um, I don’t really feel, I can’t tell you that I feel like, you know, uh, trippy or anything like that. Um, they’re taking, they’re taking videos. Look, do that again. . They’re taking videos of me, videoing myself, . Um, I don’t, so I don’t feel, I don’t feel trippy or anything like that. I just feel, feel like, um, amazing. That’s, that’s, that’s the best descriptor. amazing. Is that, is that a way to describe your life? I mean, can you honestly say that your life is amazing? Because if you can’t, then I want you to regroup. I want you to just take a step back and think, why isn’t it? Why isn’t it? Um, look, I’ve been through a lot of stuff. So I’m, I’m not down on anybody who has a life that’s very difficult. Cause I’ve had a life, I’ve, I know exactly what it’s like to live a life that’s very difficult.

Speaker 1: (05:27)
That’s very tough, and that’s why I turn my life around. And the microdosing has helped an incredible amount. Um, but if you’re there, if you’re looking in a rut, if your life just isn’t going the way you think it should, then, then you gotta make a change. The microdosing will help you realize that, but then you physically have to have to do something about it. You’ve gotta, you’ve gotta make the change. You can’t just, you can’t just say, Okay, I’m gonna microdose and everything’s gonna be totally fine for the rest of my life. No, no, You have to journal. You have, have to think. You have to actually make the changes that you’re gonna see come in front of you. Um, I’m going to, I’m, I’m working really hard on this guys, and so just be patient. I’m, I’m working on a microdose journal, something that you can fill out every single day, and it is gonna be awesome.

Speaker 1: (06:13)
I’m putting my heart and soul into this thing. I’m gonna use it the same way you guys are, because every single day we can journal, we can talk about how, if we’re microdosing, how we feel, how much we use, um, if we don’t, if it’s an off day or, you know, um, it’s gonna, it’s gonna have everything. It’s gonna have exactly what we want. There’s nothing like that available. Now I’ve checked, I’ve looked online, I’ve checked Amazon. There’s, there’s stuff out there, but it, honestly, it’s horrible. There’s nothing good. So bear with me. We’re gonna be coming out with this pretty soon. It’s gonna be really, really awesome. Okay, so, um, I wanna talk about dosing just a little bit. Microdosing in particular, again, because, um, I, I’m right now about, uh, close to two hours into this hike. And I may have spoken a little too soon because, um, I, as, like I said, it took 0.3, roughly, 0.3, um, grams of a, um, just a mo like, like a golden teacher type microdose.

Speaker 1: (07:13)
And I can definitely feel something now. I can definitely feel something. Um, again, it’s not, it, it’s very, very pleasant. It’s really nice. But the reason I’m telling you this is to please, please be careful of your dosing. Like, if you’ve never done 0.3 and you wanna go out on a hike at, at altitude, be careful with that. Um, it’s, it’s better to go lower and have a pleasant time than to do too much and to, um, not feel comfortable out if you’re somewhere, I, I know they say being in nature is the greatest if you’re, if you’re microdosing or even macro being in nature, But, but you’ve gotta be someplace safe. You can’t just, you can’t just go out on a hike to 10,000 feet altitude. And, um, especially if you’re by yourself, be with somebody else. Please, please be careful. I I just wanted to say be be very careful because, um, as great as this is, as beautiful as it is, you still have to be, you still have to use common sense and don’t do anything that’s out of your, out of your dosing zone or out of your comfort zone or outta your, outta your safety zone.

Speaker 1: (08:30)
Awesome. Um, let me show you some, um, some, some picks of, um, actually as we were hiking up. And, um, I’ll come back with you and say goodbye in a little bit.

Speaker 1: (09:21)
Okay. So I’m pretty much just about at the bottom right now. I wanted to, um, take a couple seconds and say, thanks so much for being with me. I really appreciate you. Um, if you wanted me to do some more outdoor type active videos like this and talk along the way a little bit, drop me in, drop me a little note in the comments or anything like that, let me know. Um, the other thing I wanna share with you is that, um, remember that each of these episodes is put out as video and audio podcast. They’re both called Microdose You. Those of you that are listening today, well, hopefully you can just close your eyes and imagine the beauty that the viewers of the video podcast saw on YouTube. Um, oh, I gotta make sure I watch my footing here. But, um, keep that in mind.

Speaker 1: (10:11)
And also, I’ve got a, um, I’ve got a resource sheet as well as frequently asked questions about microdosing. Um, just check the show notes. I always give a link from now on, I mean the past few episodes and, and everything moving forward. I always give a link to the resource sheet. So if you’re new to microdosing or need, if you have a need, a question that could be, that needs to be asked, um, just go there. Again, the link is in the show notes always. And if you have a question that I think is good for the FAQs, um, I could always add questions to that any time. So, um, I appreciate you being with me. This Mike Ordo, you, Dr. Dave, talk to you soon. See you. Hey, it’s Dr. Dave coming back to you after the show. I really appreciate you being here.

Speaker 1: (10:54)
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243 – How to Incorporate Shadow Work With Magic Mushrooms

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Here is the transcript to today’s episode:

Hey there. Welcome back to Microdose You. I’m Dr. Dave. And today we’re gonna talk about shadow work. How do incorporate shadow work in your microdosing of magic mushrooms? Um, I put out a little pole on my, on the YouTube channel, oh, a week or two ago, and, um, it seems like 75% of you, roughly three quarters, um, don’t even know what shadow work is, and that’s okay. I didn’t know what it was either until I started actually using magic mushrooms and I kind of started getting into this whole world and of, uh, psychology and psychiatry and, and all kinds of things. And I finally realized how important shadow work is. See, when you’re, um, microdosing, when you’re using magic mushrooms to improve your life, change your brain. Um, it’s not like it’s an SSRI or, or a, um, uh, antidepressant. It’s not just a pharmaceutical pill.

You just pop and everything’s better. So along with using magic mushrooms, um, it’s good to do other work on the side. And we’ve talked about journaling and meditation and yoga and spirituality and things like that. But shadow work is something, it, it’s super, super important in my opinion. And basically what it is, well, I’ll explain how, why It’s even called shadow work. Um, you’ve been carrying around shadows no matter who you are, what you are, how your life has been, you’ve been carrying around, and sorry about it. I’m in a park and there’s all kinds of, um, lawnmowers and backup tractors. If it gets too loud, we’ll move, but hopefully you can bear with it. It’s, hopefully it’s not too bad. Um, so you’ve been carrying around. We all have been carrying around things from our entire life, um, good things and bad things. And the reason they’re called shadows, or we call them shadows, is because they follow you wherever you are.

You can’t get rid of them. You can’t get rid of your past life. You can’t get rid of. Let’s just, just say for example, if you were, um, I abused as a child, say something like that. Um, you can try to forget it. You can try to take it outta your life, but it, but it’s with you. It’s in, it’s in your dna basically. You can’t get rid of it. So when we say do shadow work along with microdosing, we’re talking about recognizing why we got to the point we are right now, why we feel the way we do, what, how it’s influenced our life or our lives. And, um, then what do we do with it? Well, well, let’s, let’s talk about how we, how we bring it up. So I was sharing this with you on a previous video that I went into my psychiatrist office for a visit several months after I started microdosing.

And I said to him, I said, I have figured out a lot of the reasons why I feel the way I do today. Like I, I outlined some things that I shared with him. I said, Well, number one, number two, number three, these were things that occurred earlier in my life that absolutely had an impact. These particular things had a negative impact. And I have, I figured this out. And he said to me at that time, he said, David, um, what you have figured out, it takes people, It could, it could have taken somebody 15 to 20 years of talk therapy to figure out what you have figured out in, in a matter of a few months through microdosing. And that was be the beginning of my shadow work. Even though I didn’t really understand what shadow work was or even know the name at that point, the beginning of my shadow work was figuring out why or what happened in my life to get me to where I am right now.

The shadow, the shadow that always followed me around. So let’s just make this up. Um, let’s just say through thinking and meditation and journaling and just being aware, once you’ve started your microdosing, let’s just say you’ve come up with a thought. And the thought is something like, one of the reasons I am anxious and depressed as, because I realized that I had an abusive, um, relationship. I had an, let’s say I had an abusive marriage. Now this is an example I’m giving. I’m not saying this is me. It’s, it’s an example. Um, and then you have realized that that’s one of your, that’s part of your shadow that’s following you around. Again, no matter if you try to forget about it or put it outta your life or, or whatever, it’s, it’s with you, it’s not going to escape. And if you don’t recognize it and don’t deal with it, it’s only, it’s, you’re not gonna heal.

And no matter how many magic mushrooms you do, no matter what kind of dose you do, if you don’t do the work alongside of it, become more spiritual. I just had a really good conversation with my friend trip on the phone and he’s, he’s done some videos with me here and he’s teaching me a lot about spirituality. Um, and this is nothing that we talked about today really. Well, maybe a tiny bit, but it’s something that I’ve been reading about for quite, quite some time now. Your demons, the things that happen to in your past life, follow you around your shadow. Good things also follow you around good things. If you had some great experiences, they follow you around. Also, they are part of your shadow, but they generally don’t have a negative effect on the way you feel. The good things generally make you feel better.

The bad things that happen to, to you in your life make you feel worse until you’re able to do the work that it takes to get rid of them. And I’ll, we’ll explain that in a second. You probably, you can’t get rid of them, but we’ll explain what to do. So the first part of shadow work is to realize that you’re going to do it. You’re going to accept, you’re gonna think you’re gonna meditate until you figure out. And it will come to you, it will come to you why you are feeling the way you are today. And again, we’ll use the example of let’s say you had an abusive relationship. So what I’m gonna recommend you do once you start to figure this out, I’m gonna ask you two journal, right in a journal. Now, um, I’ve gotta, it’s funny, I picked up this journal.

I, I journal all the time. I carry journals with me all the time. But I picked this one up at the airport a couple months ago when I was traveling to visit a friend in Atlanta. And it caught my eyes cuz it’s got mushrooms all over the front of it. I love it. And then I started thinking, um, I want to develop a microdosing journal, one that has all of the information you can put into it to, to describe on a daily basis your micro doses, how you feel, how much you took, um, all the, you know, every, everything, every single thing that you can journal about microdosing. And I’m actually developing, I’m in the process of developing that right now because I’ve looked on things like Amazon. There are some out there, but guess what? They’re not good. It’s, it’s almost like a waste of time.

So bear with me, Um, in a short amount of time, hopefully, you know, these things do take a little time to develop. I’m gonna have what I call a microdosing journal, and it’s going to be incredible. I recommend all micro dosers have one and use it and refer back to it on, on a daily basis. But I got ahead of myself. That’s not developed yet. It’s not there. Stay tuned for that at a, at a later time. Okay? So let’s say during your shadow work, you really take your time and you think back and you try to figure out, um, some of these demons or, or difficult things you went through in the past. Well, you do a lot of thinking, write them down in your journal and just come to grips with, okay, this was in my past, this happened. Um, I can’t change the past.

I can’t go back and change the past or else I would, but this did happen. And, um, that’s the way, that’s the, that’s why I feel the way I do right now. Now I’m gonna feel better because I’ve realized it. I’ve kind of accepted it. Um, I feel bad for the person that brought this on the person or however this came. I feel bad for that person and I’m not gonna hold a grudge. I’m not gonna hate this person. I’m going to actually forgive this person and give this person as many positive vibes as I possibly can because this person has problems on their own and there’s a reason why they did this to me and got me into this, into what I’m feeling today. But, but they had a problems and that’s why they had to do it. So I, I am gonna understand it.

I’m going to forgive and I’m not gonna hold any bad feelings. Once you do that, you’ve lifted like an incredible weight off of your shoulders and something that’s been following you for, for, uh, years, perhaps decades, perhaps most of your life. When you recognize that, when you write it down, when you come to grips with it, when you forgive, when you lift up all hate, lift, all hatred and bad feelings towards, um, another human being, then you have gotten yourself to a point where you are really, really ready to heal and doing this shadow work and it never ends. I don’t want you to feel that once you do it, it’s over. I want you to always kind of work on that because you probably can pull other things from your life and, and always just think about it and think about the person or people that have hurt you.

And again, um, lift all, get rid of all bad feelings and hatred towards that person or those people and, um, wish them well and wish them the best life they could possibly have. And trip actually helped me with a little bit of this one, this call we just had today. That, that part, and it really, I realized how powerful this is. Um, so that’s what I wanted to say about shadow work. Um, it’s something that’s really important. Um, also it could be done if you’re simply taking a, um, antidepressant or another type of pharmaceutical, but I think the shadow work really works extremely well in conjunction with the, um, microdosing of magic mushrooms because it’s just, um, it’s a natural plant medicine that is, that really does work on rewiring your brain and, and doing that. And along with the shadow work is, um, it’s life changing.

There’s, there’s, there’s zero question in my mind. Very, very powerful stuff. So, um, I want to thank you so much for being here. Again, none of this is medical advice. Um, it’s, I’m giving you my experience friend talking to friend like I always say. And I also wanna let you know that what you’re hearing or seeing today is available on both my YouTube channel, which is, um, microdose you and also my audio podcast, which is also entitled Microdose use. So if you are a, um, visual person you want to prefer to see me and see my expressions, then by all means watch me on the YouTube if you’re more of an, uh, I’d like to listen to podcast when I’m out for a walk or a run or in my car, then check out the audio version of Microdose u. Um, they’re both good. I will say that the YouTube version, the video version is usually a little bit ahead. So, um, if you see something on YouTube, it’ll probably be released on the audio version of the podcast, um, a short time later. That’s the only thing you need to know. And also my, um, resource page, which is in the show notes here, resource page, if you’re beginning or new to microdosing, um, I got a resource page you can just click on. It’s in the show notes and it answers a lot of the, um, most frequently asked questions about microdosing. So next time, Dr. Dave

Microdosing, thanks so much for being with me. Appreciate you. Hey, it’s Dr. Dave coming back to you after the show. I really appreciate you being here. And if you could just do me one little favor before you go, it’ll take you about 30 seconds of your time, go onto your podcast platform and give us a rating and a review. Um, it takes just a little bit of your time and it really, really will help the show immensely. I’m trying to get the word out to people all over the world because so many people are struggling and they need help and this is the way they’re gonna find out about us. So take a little bit of your time, do it for us. I really appreciate you. Thanks so much.


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Here is the transcript to today’s episode:

Speaker 1: (00:00)
So many of you have told me that you’ve tried microdosing magic mushrooms and they’re just not working, and you’re frustrated. We’re gonna walk you through this right now. We’re gonna get you going.

Speaker 1: (00:32)
Hey there. How are you? Dr. Dave Microdose. You welcome back. How did you like that? Um, little opening bumper. I had little video bumper I, I put in there. Uh, it’s gonna be in my videos from now on until we change it. Tell me what you think. Make a little comment down there. Just let me know how you liked it. I appreciate that. So, um, okay, you are trying to microdose you have tried to microdose magic mushrooms and for some reason it is just not working. You’re feeling still, um, depression, anxiety effects from, uh, previous traumas, whatever it might be. It’s just not working. And you’ve heard all this hype and everybody, it’s, it’s worked for so many people and you’re really, really frustrated. So let’s talk about this and let’s get you going and let’s get you on a path that will, it will work.

Speaker 1: (01:17)
So, first and foremost, this is super important, and I know I’ve talked about this before, but it, it’s worth repeating because it is crucial. You need to watch the video entitled, I, I did this video a short time ago. It’s called The Absolute Beginner’s Guide to Microdosing Magic Mushrooms. It’s on my YouTube channel. I will make a little link down in the, in the, uh, in the show notes, in the comment, uh, the show notes, show notes would be better. Um, and direct you right there. It’s super important. It tells you from start to finish exactly how to do it, what doses, how often, how to know if your dose is right, and much, much more. It walks you through in a very systematic way. And doing it systematically is super important. I mean, you can’t just ask a bunch of people, Hey, I’m thinking about microdosing.

Speaker 1: (02:06)
Where do I start? Which dose should I start at? And people be throwing all kind of different answers to you, and, and you pick the one you like and you just start. That’s, that’s not the way you do it. Here’s an analogy. Suppose you had to go in for surgery somewhere in your chest or your abdomen, just totally making this up, but just play with me here and your surgeon, the night before, he said to some, some of his colleagues, he said, Hey, I’m, I’m doing this surgery tomorrow. Um, where do you think the best place to start the incision would be? And some people say, Oh, you know, go low. It’s a really, it’s a, you know, you should go low. Some people say, Oh, go do it right here. Do it right here. He’s gonna get like 20 different answers. And he’s gonna say, Well, you know, maybe I like this one the best.

Speaker 1: (02:47)
And, and it’s your body. And this surgeon is not sure exactly what to do. You wouldn’t like that, would you? Now that’s a pretty, um, extreme example, but it’s very similar. The surgeon is highly trained and he’s done, not only has he done this a lot, hopefully, but he’s gone to school and, and, and learned systematically, if you have this problem and he’s doing this surgery, here’s exactly what, how you do it from A to Z. This is how you do it. It’s the same thing with microdosing. Now, luckily, you’re not doing surgery, but there’s a way to do it. There’s a proper protocol, although there’s more than one proper protocol, but it’s not, it’s not a hit or miss thing. You don’t just start taking magic mushrooms and hoping for the best. No, it’s, it’s, please, please watch the video. Um, it will explain from start to finish exactly how to do it.

Speaker 1: (03:38)
Now, I will say this, it’s also much more than just ingesting magic mushrooms. I mean, okay, when you take a pharmaceutical, the purpose of that is to, um, change the way the serotonin is, uh, in your body and, and make you feel better. So you could be doing basically anything, and it’s probably going to make you feel better. It’s a pharmaceutical, um, over a period of time, it probably will, but then things start happening and there’s side effects. And you’re, you’re, you have to take these the rest of your life. And, and I was, I went that route and I didn’t like it. Oh, the results were pretty good. But, um, I didn’t wanna be on pharmaceuticals with side effects for the rest of my life. And God forbid, if I had to get off of them, I’d go back to exactly the way I’m feeling.

Speaker 1: (04:27)
Magic. Mushrooms sil sideman. It’s very different. It’s rewiring your brain. If you’re a computer person, think of it as a reboot. It’s changing the way your brain is structured. It does not happen overnight, but it does happen. So again, you’ve gotta do this systematically, and it’s not just popping a magic mushroom into your mouth and swallowing it and hoping everything’s fine. No, there are things that you have to do along the way as well. So, um, I was also thinking back, why did I have depression? Why did I have anxiety? And you need to be thinking the same way along the same route. And I, I, I urge you to go back and, and just try to think as deeply as you can. Chances are your anxiety and your, or your, and or your depression are not just strictly biochemical. That means there’s something messed up in your body and you’re not getting enough serotonin or something’s going on and, and you become depressed.

Speaker 1: (05:29)
No, chances are, um, I, in my opinion, uh, I’m not a trained psychologist or psychiatrist, but in my opinion, there’s at least a 90% chance that something happened or is happening in your life as far as some type of trauma, some type of episode, something happened or is going on that is causing you to feel like this. It’s not very common. Or you just start feeling depressed or anxious or something else, or have some type of, you know, a, a, uh, an issue. Um, and nothing triggered it. It’s, it’s, it’s possible, but it’s uncommon. Something has triggered this. So I urge you to sit down and go back and think, Now this is better. When you’re using magic mushrooms, you, it allows your brain to think more freely as far as that’s the, um, result that I got. Several months into my microdosing journey. I came up with a whole list of things, and I talked to my psychiatrist about this, and he said, Dave, this, you figure stuff out that it takes people 10 to 20 years to do on just talk therapy alone.

Speaker 1: (06:31)
And so these mushrooms must really be working. Yes, they do work, but you have to put the work in as well. What did I figure out about my life? If I share some things with you, it might help you at least a little bit, um, dive deeper into your life and just figure things out. Now again, you can’t fix the past, but realizing what happened, what the triggers were, um, if it’s something that is still going on to remove yourself from that situation, those are things that you need to understand and work on. So I’ll share just a couple things that, um, from my past that actually got me into this, um, situation of anxiety and, uh, depression and post traumatic situations and things like that. Well, um, some of them were actually, uh, things that were going on in my medically with me. So I, I discovered that I had obstructive sleep apnea.

Speaker 1: (07:27)
And sleep apnea is something that, I talk about this a lot in my videos, um, because it’s extremely important. 80% of the cases in the US at least go undiagnosed. And in the world, it might even be more than 80%, because we’re pretty advanced in that here. So I’m saying thinking in Europe or wherever you may be, it might even be more than that. But sleep apnea is some isn’t, is a medical condition where you don’t get enough oxygen, you stop breathing in the middle of the night, multiple, multiple times. And if you don’t think this message with your body, um, then you’re wrong. It does. It was raising my blood pressure. It was absolutely making me anxious. It was causing depression. So things like, that’s something I discovered. But yes, you’ve gotta take care of that. Also, you can’t just take magic mushrooms and have all these other things going on in the background that are eating away your body.

Speaker 1: (08:16)
You can’t do that. Um, something else, um, I was, I was vegan for seven years, and I discovered that at first it was really good, and it was cool when I was telling everybody I was vegan, like all vegans do, of course. But you know, you can do that all day long, but your body and science know the truth. And I was missing. I would, over many years, seven years, I was starting to be depleted or missing some nutrients, some important nutrients in my body. I can’t even tell you what they were. It was, we don’t know. But I was slowly, slowly, slowly, uh, starting to feel horrible. I was tired all the time. I was anxious. I just didn’t feel like I had the energy to do things. I was getting injured a lot. This contributed to my overall problem. I stopped being vegan.

Speaker 1: (09:02)
Now, anybody out there that’s vegan, I apologize. You know, my body is important to me and I, and, uh, we’ve been eating animal products, humans have been eating animal products for, um, since the beginning of time. And if you hate me for losing the veganism, you, I apologize. But I did that and I start, I did start feeling better and healthier. Um, I also think that I had covid back probably right around the beginning of covid. This is just my theory, but I think that also start, you know, sometime in spring of 2020. And I think that really started wreaking havoc on my body. Anything that I had going on, like being vegan, the sleep apnea and more that was causing it to be even worse. And it was really, really horrible. And I felt, I felt just terrible. Also, not being in the right place in my business life, I just felt like I had, I was not going in the direction I wanted to and, and I was feeling a lot of stress and things like that.

Speaker 1: (10:00)
And that was also eating away at my body. So those are, um, four things that I realized that, um, were going on presently at, at that time. But also, I also thought about trauma from my first marriage was eating away at me, or had eaten away at me in the past for sure. Also, um, being raised in a, um, in, in a, in a, in a Jewish family, in a Jewish community, and with a very, uh, kind of, uh, uh, overprotective Jewish mother that all this stuff comes into play. Now again, we can’t change the past, but at least we can recognize it and figure out where a trauma is coming from. And then the magic mushrooms help repair that trauma. So once you got that all thought about and figured out, I recommend doing it concurrently while you are on your microdosing journey. You don’t have to wait.

Speaker 1: (10:51)
I mean, in fact, it’s like I said, it’s better done while you are microdosing. These things will start to come to your mind and you will be able to figure them out. Now, if you’re in, not only medically, but if you’re in a bad situation now with either, um, a relationship or your job or business or, uh, friends or, or it could be anything. Again, I want you to think deeply. This stuff will come to you and you need to make the proper changes. So in other words, if you’re microdosing magic mushrooms, but you’re in a horrible relationship or your, um, job, you just can’t stand going in, um, every day or, or you have children that are giving you trouble and issues it all again, all this stuff comes into place. You’ve got to, as you learn and as this comes to the forefront in your brain, you’ve gotta start taking care of this as well.

Speaker 1: (11:42)
Again, you, it’s not just a pill that you take and then your life stays the same and you hope for the better. It doesn’t really work like that. This is supposed to improve your entire life, your entire existence, and it will, but you have to put the work in. Now, some other things I’m going to recommend, uh, again, I’m assuming that you have watched the video, the Absolute Beginners’ Guide to microdosing match mushrooms, because again, that’s gonna, that’s gonna, I’m not talking about dosage here. What’s, what’s strains or I’m not talking about and, and how long you need to do it. That’s all in that video. So the, and I’m not gonna repeat myself there, but it’s, again, it’s crucial, crucial, super important. Now, assuming you’ve done everything I’ve talked about up to now, I’m going to recommend at least two things on a daily basis.

Speaker 1: (12:30)
Number one, turn off the news. Do you want me to repeat that? Number one, turn off the news. The news isn’t good. The news is not all real. Now, I’m not a conspiracy theorist because I, you know, I do believe a lot of it, but, but, but the way it’s being slanted and depending on what news source you’re getting it from, it’s, it’s exaggerated. It’s not necessarily correct. It’s, it’s, you’re hearing one side, it’s turn it off. It doesn’t matter at this point. Um, the world is the way the world is. I’m not saying don’t care about the world. I’m not saying don’t care about whatever country you’re in. I’m not saying don’t care about things. You can still care, you can still vote, you can still be, you can still be a little bit up on some issues, but watching the news and, and obsessing over it on a daily basis and worried about who’s gonna win this election, what’s gonna happen here?

Speaker 1: (13:24)
It’s really horrible and it’s eating away at your body. And if you don’t believe me, you, you gotta start. Please trust me. I, I, again, I’ve done it both ways as soon as I’ve removed the news from my daily life, and yes, that includes financial markets. Don’t be looking to the stock market every day to see what your portfolio is. It’s there, it’s gonna be fine. If it goes down, it’s gonna come back up. Don’t worry. But when we start obsessing and worrying and burying ourself like deep into this world of, of bad news, bad financial markets, tough economies, uh, recessions, all it, it does eat away at your body. And you might not believe me, but I’m, it does. There’s no way it can’t. Okay? So, so turn off the news, Please turn off all that stuff. All those horrible negative outside forces do that.

Speaker 1: (14:19)
If you, if you don’t do some of these things I’m asking you to do, you’re not going to get, you’re likely not gonna get the results that you’re trying, trying to achieve. So again, I’m here, even though you might not want to do some of this, if you just say, Okay, I’m gonna listen to Dr. Dave, you know, the worst thing that can happen is after a few months, none of this stuff works. And then I haven’t really lost anything cuz it wasn’t working anyway. But the upside is it will work. And then that’s just, trust me, that is the likely upside, the most likely upside. The other thing I’d like you to do is every single morning I’d like you to start off with a, um, some type of positive mantra. Meditation, uh, yoga, watching comedy of, of vi videos, of comedy. All this stuff really starts to wire your brain for the day to be positive.

Speaker 1: (15:07)
I say a positive mantra every single morning. I say, Here’s exactly what I say. It’s really easy. I say it out loud, I write it down, whatever I want to do, but I say it’s a good day, it’s a beautiful day, it’s a positive day. I am positive and I will stay positive. I am centered and I will stay centered. And I have a shield around me protecting me from negative and bad. If you just say this every single morning, along with some gentle yoga, maybe a little bit of meditation, maybe a little of, um, you know, um, introspection, whatever you wanna do, prayer. If you pray, there’s no wrong, there’s no real, right? Just calm thinking, positive affirmations. Again, it’s the worth you need to put in to get this stuff to work. And those are the suggestions I have for you. If your microdosing is not working.

Speaker 1: (16:03)
Now, if you are in a group, it’s a small group of people that you’ve done all of this and you’ve given it quite a while, you’ve given it several months and you just don’t feel any change whatsoever and you’re still depressed and, and things are, things are rough, um, then you might need to take the next step, which microdosing just might not be enough for you. It might be too slow. And it is possible. Micro dosing does not work 100% of the time. So if you are still in that category, af after you’ve given it everything you’ve got and tried everything that I’ve told you, then you might be a candidate to, for macro dosing, for larger doses of magic mushrooms. And there’s nothing to be ashamed about. The the goal is we wanna fix you, we wanna get you going, we want you to feel better.

Speaker 1: (16:51)
I want you to feel better every single day. And remember, this is not medical advice. This is just my experience, what I’ve observed over the last year and a half plus or so. So if microdosing is not working, you might be a candidate for larger doses. And what I want to do is stop here. But I do want to tackle that, um, in another episode because again, my goal is to get you feeling better. It doesn’t matter how we go about it with magic mushrooms, uh, might be microdosing, it might be larger. But again, I want you to feel better. That’s my goal here because I know what it’s like to feel horrible every day. I’ve been through it, I’ve been through it, guys, and it’s, it’s not fun. So we’ll stop it here again, if you’re, um, I appreciate you being with me here. If you haven’t subscribed, please subscribe, make a comment, give me a, like, it helps the channel and the, and the better the channel does, the, um, the more people we can reach all over the world and help our fellow human beings start to feel better once and for all. Okay, Say goodbye. I do love you. I’m Dr. Dave and this is microdose. You.

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242 – Sleep Apnea and Microdosing

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Here is the transcript to today’s episode:

Dr. Dave: (00:00)
Hey there. Welcome back to Microdose U. I’m Dr. Dave. Thank you so much for being here. This is one of the episodes, um, that is so important. Um, I want you, if you tick or check off or star any episodes that you wanna refer back to. This is going to be one of them. It’s something that I’ve talked a little about in the past, but not nearly enough, and it’s something that I am actually worried about you, uh, possibly having this and that could be contributing to, let’s face it, because one of the, um, reasons that you’re likely here at Microdose you is because you’re suffering or you have suffered with something like anxiety or depression, PTs, d um, something along that order. Um, chances are, because most of the people that attend attend micro dose, you are, are in that category, including myself. I have, I have suffered with those in the past.

Dr. Dave: (00:54)
Luckily, the microdosing has totally taken care of that. But that’s a really good segue into this because, um, full disclosure, I did something major, um, a couple years ago that I think has also played a really big part in me feeling as good as I do every single day right now, and that is being evaluated and treated for sleep apnea. Now, before you go anywhere, I wanna share this with you. This is super, super important. Um, sleep apnea is a very, very dangerous medical issue. And, uh, they say that about 80 some per, I don’t have the statistics right in front of me, but it’s close enough. 80 some percent of the people that, um, have sleep apnea are not diagnosed. So, uh, that’s a huge, huge, huge number. And to put things in per into perspective more, um, since I’m in the United States, I’ll give you United States statistics, but it’s probably similar all over the world because there’d be no reason why it wouldn’t be.

Dr. Dave: (02:00)
Um, about 25% of adults have sleep apnea. Now, that’s a huge number. That means one out of every four. And, and I think that’s, from what I know about sleep apnea and from what, um, has been trending or, uh, uh, it’s maybe not the right word, but, um, taking place. Um, I think in my opinion, I think that number’s actually low. I think that’s a, that’s a low, very conservative number. I think more than 25% of the people in this country and probably in the world have sleep apnea. Let’s back up for a second. And I, I don’t want you to go anywhere because again, this is super, super important stuff. And if you don’t think this pertains to you, it may, So hold on just a second in case you’re not clear or understand what, what sleep apnea is. Um, in the most simplest terms, sleep apnea is, um, pausing, breathing in the middle of the night due to certain conditions taking place.

Dr. Dave: (03:02)
And, and the two most common conditions that people could stop their breathing in the middle of the night is due to an obstruction. So, in other words, let’s say you have some, um, tissue that when you lay down, um, locks your airway and you will several times or could be, uh, many times per hour, Uh, stop reading. And the reason you will start again is just like you’ll gasp or wake up a little bit and realize that you, your, your brain will realize that you stop reading and then you’ll start again, only to go back to sleep and then have this start over and over and over again. This could take place anytime from any amount from, um, they say if it happens five times per hour or more, that is considered sleep apnea, in my opinion.

Dr. Dave: (03:51)
Again, it’s only my opinion. Even, even if it takes place two to three times per hour, that is dangerous too. Imagine, imagine you’re sleeping and they say the guidelines for obstructive sleep apnea or sleep apnea are, um, five times per hour having an event like that the last 10 seconds or more. Okay? Now suppose you’re sleeping and somebody stabs, you just stabs you, hits you in the ch or does something to you five times per hour. That’s gonna just think about how that’s gonna disrupt your sleep. That’s really, really bad. Now, severe sleep abne is when it happens like, uh, 20 sometimes per hour. That is super, super dangerous and moderate is somewhere mild to moderate, somewhere in the middle there. Um, but suppose, see the guidelines for sleep ap me are anything under five is normal. It’s okay, but let’s go back to the example of somebody stabbing you or hitting you or doing something to you in the middle of night and waking you up.

Dr. Dave: (04:57)
Suppose somebody did that to you only two to three times per hour and it disrupted your sleep and you had to wake up and then you had to go back to sleep. That’s, I don’t think anybody would say that’s a good thing or safe or, or good for your health. So that’s why I think the guidelines and the standards for sleep apnea or, or need to be, in my opinion, need to be updated because, um, although there are a lot of other measurements that go into this, um, the easiest one to understand, and the one actually a lot of doctors even go by, whether it’s right or wrong, is, is called ahi, and it stands for apnea hypo index. You don’t have to know those words, but it just means the number of times you, um, stop breathing or pause your breathing in the middle of the night. There’s also another type of sleep apnea, which is called central sleep apnea. And it has nothing to do with your, um, your air being blocked, uh, your breathing being blocked, but it has more to do with your brain sending inappropriate signals or not the right signals to your, to your, uh, body, to, to,

Dr. Dave: (05:57)
To breathe when you’re, when you’re, when you’re sleep. And that’s called central, central sleep apnea. And that can be as bad or just as dangerous. And there could be something called mixed, mixed sleep apnea, um, or like a hybrid, which is a combination of central and obstructive. So you don’t have to know all this stuff. The most important thing for you to know is that sleep apnea, the definition of sleep apnea is less oxygen, less breathing, pausing and breathing in the middle of the night for, for some reason. Now, what can result from having sleep apnea? Well, a myriad of things, and coincidentally or not coincidentally, some of them are what the reason you’re here, Um, high blood pressure, depression, anxiety, uh, you have a much better chance of of having, getting diabetes if you have sleep at me. That goes untreated. People that have untreated sleep apnea are more prone to go on to having major, major events such as heart attack, um, stroke, things like that. So it is very, very serious. Again, the most common symptoms that from the start of having sleep AP are, um, depression and anxiety and, um, high blood pressure. So you’re here for a reason. You’re here to learn about microdosing, so chances are you have some type of anxiety or depression or something like that.

Dr. Dave: (07:36)
I am going to strongly or since, since again, estimate an estimate of, um, one out of every four people have sleep apnea and 80% of the cases go untreated or un undiagnosed and untreated. It’s very, very serious. I’m going to suggest, I’m gonna strongly suggest that you look into this a little more and you go to your primary care physician and request a test for sleep apnea. It’s a sleep study. Most of the times it can be done at home. Most of the times your insurance will cover it, but in my opinion, this is one of the times that you can’t, we can’t worry about whether insurance is going to cover something because this medical issue is so far reaching and so common now and, um, so undiagnosed or underdiagnosed that we have to kind of put insurance to the side and, and say, I’m gonna pay for this, whether my insurance covers this or not. I’m, this is so important for me. I’m going to pay for this and I want, I wanna see if I have some type of sleep apnea. I would say there’s a decent chance that you do, especially if you’re frequently tired in the middle of the day, um, can’t concentrate, your blood pressure’s going up, you’re feeling anxious, you’re feeling depressed, um, there is a very good chance that you have it and you need to be, it needs to be looked at.

Dr. Dave: (09:03)
How is sleep apnea generally treated? Well, again, it depends what type you have, but a common thing, first of all is weight loss is a big thing because a lot of times people, if you have like excess weight, a thicker neck, then you should have, um, that can cause, um, sleep apnea to begin with. But again, that’s not the only cause. And thin people, like I’m reasonably thin and I have sleep apnea. So, um, the main way it’s treated the most mainstream and I think the most predictable and the best way it’s treated because there are all kinds of dental devices. And look, I’m a retired dentist and I’m all for dental devices if they work, but in my opinion, um, they do not work nearly as well as what is called A C P A P. And you changes are, you’ve probably heard of a C P A P, it’s a device that feeds positive air pressure.

Dr. Dave: (09:55)
You wear like a mask over your face. The but the masks are very, very comfortable these days. And I just wear something that kind of like sits, sits underneath my nose and I breathe through my nose throughout the night and it works very well. They deliver a C P A P machine delivers positive air pressure. That’s what the PAT stands for, positive air pressure throughout the night knight so that when you, there’s an obstruction that comes along, it will feed you the air and it will, um, break up or or disturb, disrupt the, the, the obstruction. That’s the, the idea behind it. It’s, again, it’s a little bit more complex than I’ll go into here. And they’re different type of C P A P machines and there’s, um, bilevel machines and, and actually through my usage of C A P and experimenting over the years, I actually, um, graduated to something called an a SV machine, which is, um, kind of like a high level C A P A C P A P machine on steroids, if you will.

Dr. Dave: (10:50)
Um, they’re not for everybody, but it’s more if you have, um, central sleep apnea is where your brain is not telling you when to breathe in the middle of the night. It’s it. So ASV stands for adaptive servo ventilation and it is the, again, cause I went through different types of C P A machines and it’s the only one that really works or work has been working predictably for me. And it’s totally helped me get outta my funk of not being able to sleep well and being super tired during the day. And I am a very, very, very strong believer in, um, using a C P A P machine for sleep apnea.

Dr. Dave: (11:32)
Um, where do we go from here? What should you do? As I said, I, I really believe if you have any of the symptoms that I’ve, um, outlined earlier, um, especially, especially, um, high blood pressure, um, anxiety and depression, um, I would strongly suggest to your primary care physician that you really want to get a sleep study. Um, after you get the sleep study, when the results come back, please listen to your doc and, um, take the advice on treatment because again, it could be the most important medical decision you’ve ever made in your life. I’m surprised there’s just not more of this. I think, um, a decade from now, it’s gonna be so mainstream to be talking about sleep apnea. It almost is now, but, um, not enough. Not enough. So that’s what I wanna share with you. Again, super, super important. I cannot stress that if enough that if you are kind of like saying, Ah, this is not for me, this is not, But if you have any of these symptoms, I’m telling you this could be for you.

Dr. Dave: (12:36)
So I’m glad you made it this far. Um, remember that, um, I put these episodes out on, um, my YouTube channel called microdose U as well as my audio podcast, um, which is also called coincidentally Microdose u. Um, I’ve got our, um, microdosing resource page that describes if you’re a beginner at this, it describes everything from kind of start to finish about microdosing. Go to my website, it’s david, D a v i d M A d o I welcome all questions of comments. I do my best to get back to, um, almost everything as much as I can. Sometimes I miss a little bit just because of my work schedule, but um, I do the best I can and I thank you so much for being here. Dr. Dave Micro, does you talk to you soon?

Microdose U podcast

Special Episode – How Long Will It Take Before I Feel Better?

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Nothing here is to be taken as medical advice. Dr. Dave is sharing his personal story with you. Please contact your healthcare professional to find out if this is right for you. 

Here is the transcript to today’s episode:

Speaker 1: (00:00)
How long will it take before magic mushrooms really start working and I feel better, I feel back the way I should feel? Well, this is the most commonly asked question I get, or at least one of the very most commonly asked questions. And we’re gonna talk about that right now.

Speaker 2: (00:31)
Right now.

Speaker 1: (00:33)
Hey there. Welcome back to Microdose You. Yeah, I’m Dr. Dave. Thank you so much for being with me. I really appreciate you. This, there’s a special episode for, um, you guys listening to my audio podcast. Every once in a while, I’m gonna throw in a special, it’s gonna be a little bit longer than what we, where we normally go. And I’ve got a lot of great information for you. And yes, um, among the most commonly asked questions, this is one of them. How long will it take before I see it start feeling better? Or how long did it take you Dr. Day before you started feeling better? And I will say this, So, um, this is not medical advice and a lot of this, I’m just sharing my own journey, but it doesn’t really matter how long it took me because everybody’s different. Everybody feels different.

Speaker 1: (01:15)
If you give somebody, or you give a group of people, let’s say a hundred people, the the same medication and the same dose at the same time, um, it will affect many people very differently. So there’s not one rule or not one thing I can tell you that say, Okay, you are definitely gonna feel better by day 14. Um, now I just made that one up, so don’t hold me to that. But, but, um, it, it, it really, it really does depend, and I wanna just share this with you right from the start. If you have not listened to my podcast episode called The Absolute Beginner’s Guide to Microdosing Magic Mushrooms, I, I would really like you to go listen to that as soon as you finish listening to this one, because it’s one of the most important and comprehensive podcast episodes I’ve ever made.

Speaker 1: (02:03)
And almost every single day I hear questions such as, Well, how much should I start with how much, how many grams or how many milligrams of magic mushrooms should I start? I’ve never done this before. It’s super important. There’s, I will tell you this, there’s not just one dose that you could say, everybody just start with this and you’re gonna be fine. So I go about systematically explaining what you should start with, but then how to evaluate to see, um, if and when you need to raise it and what you need to look for and things like that. So it’s very, very important. And I’m gonna rec recommend you listen to that, uh, the Absolute Beginner’s Guide to Microdosing Magic Mushrooms. But back to the original question, how long will it take before you start feeling better? So one thing I wanna share with you, and this is, this is really important, and I want you to really try to understand this.

Speaker 1: (02:59)
You did not start feeling bad in one day or in one week. Now, whatever you may have, what, uh, uh, not episode, what issues you might have. Um, be it, be it depression or anxiety or, uh, T s D or some type of maybe like eating disorder or, uh, uh, social anxiety or what, you know, the list is very long. You be, um, but, but for, but for one reason or another, you found yourself here. And likely, unless you’re just super, super curious about this topic, likely you are hurting in some way. You’ve got something going on, and probably it’s some form of depression and or anxiety. That’s the most common reason people gravitate to listen to me and to look into microdosing. Now again, there could be a million other reasons, but that’s the most common. And you, I will say, not only will they help you, but you’ll, you’ll get a lot of other benefits as well.

Speaker 1: (04:03)
You’ll just have a, a, a, a different outlook on, on life and what you see around you in the world and, and the universe. And, and it sounds kind of cheesy and maybe like new agey, but, but you really will have a different outlook. And probably, and, and this is a good thing, a, a different outlook than your friends who have never used magic mushrooms. I, now, I, I will tell you, I see things totally differently. I look at life differently. Uh, my days are very different in a, in a very, very good way. Really good way. But the original question, How long will all this take until I feel better? So again, getting back to my original thing, it, it didn’t happen overnight. It likely took year. You don’t realize this, but it likely took years and years and years of things going on in your life and in your body to get you to where you are now.

Speaker 1: (04:57)
So it may not be a quick fix. Now, there are some people that say, the first time I microdosed I started feeling better. And it was just, and it went, got better from there. It just kept getting better. And, and I will tell you, I am one of those people. I’ve been microdosing for one and a half years, and I can still remember the very first time I took a microdose, um, that day. And again, I say I, I do want to make this clear. It, it could have been some type of placebo effect, but I’ll take it. Cause I felt better. I felt better like right away that day. Now, I, I didn’t feel that I was like cured, but I felt better. I felt a lot better. And what that means is that my, if you can picture like a line on a graph.

Speaker 1: (05:47)
So from day one, after I microdose started getting a little better, so the graph starts going a little higher, higher, higher, day to day, better, better, better. Um, and then fast forward to one and a half years, I’m like, my line, or my point is, is way up there, way up there compared to where I started, I was able to get off of my, um, antidepressant. I was able to get off my occasional use of, um, benzo, cuz sometimes the antidepressant just didn’t cut it. And I’d have to take a benzo because that’s the only way I could really feel like acceptable during a day. So I was able to get off the benzo pretty quickly. And then nine months later I started weaning off of my antidepressant. Cuz I just felt really, really, really good. And my, again, thinking about it as a graph, I’m, I’m making signals with my hands, but you can’t see my hands be, this is audio.

Speaker 1: (06:39)
The graph, the chart is getting better, better, better, better, better, better going up, up, up, up, up. Now on the other hand, there are some people that start microdosing and they really don’t feel a big change right away. Now, some people, if that’s the case or just quitters, they just, This isn’t working, I’m gonna stop. I don’t recommend that because again, life is not about easy, quick fixes. Life is, it’s not real life. When you see people doing things and, and it looks like they’re like super successful or wealthy or they lost weight, um, you think they did it overnight. But in most cases now, there are some exceptions, but in most cases people have to work long and hard and not give up to get to where they want to be. And microdosing is not an exception. So your graph could be kind of like flatline for a little while.

Speaker 1: (07:35)
Maybe there’s not a difference, I’m just making this up. It maybe for the first month, there’s not a big difference. Maybe it just kind of goes on and on and you’re still taking your, your medication, whatever that might be, um, along with your microdosing. But you don’t really see much of a difference. And your line is straight, straight, straight, straight, straight. But then there comes a point where, again, making this up, but let’s say one month later or two months later, you, something kicks in, you say, Wow, I’m really starting to feel better. And so then picture the graph, it starts going up. Uh, it, it was flat for a long time, but then it starts going up, up, up and better and better. And then over time it’s really better. Your graph is way up there. Now that’s not to say there couldn’t be, Somebody asked me, I think I did a livestream last night actually, and somebody asked me, uh, Dr.

Speaker 1: (08:22)
Dave, was there a point in your microdosing for the one and a half years so far, was there a point where your graph or the way you felt started going down a little bit and then went back up again? Were there ever any like really tough times? And it was a really good question and I had to think about that for a second. But in the one and a half years that I was, um, microdosing, uh, no, it, it never, once it started getting better, it never got worse. And then came and kind of like the stock market, like the stock market generally goes up, but then there are bear markets and times where there’s some type of something going on in the world. And it goes down. Like with Covid for example, the stock market was going up, up, up and then Covid, um, it went way down, way down.

Speaker 1: (09:11)
But then a few months later, maybe within six months, it started going way up again. So the overall net effect was up, up, up, up, up. But there were like peaks and valleys. It went down sometimes too with mine. No, it really ne with my microdosing, no, it never really went down. But that’s not to say that yours won’t. I’ve spoken to people that sometimes they just have a bad week, you know, we’re still human beings and, and things happen and we have feelings and, and um, although there’s a, a general sense of rewiring or rebooting of the brain, which is a good thing and rewiring in a good way. But there are setbacks sometimes and things that can happen. And sometimes your graph may go down a little bit, dip down a little bit, but then it will recover and go up, up, up further than it’s ever been.

Speaker 1: (10:00)
So I’m speaking of stock market language and financial language. I’m very bullish , those the view that are, you know, financial people, I’m very bullish, um, very positive about what magic mushrooms can do to what they’ve not only done for me, but what they can do for you. And anybody that’s listening or, or, or you know, your friends or family, whoever it might be, I am really, really convinced that these are the answer to not only feeling better, but to have a totally, totally different outlook on life. So again, getting back to our question, this is super important. How long does it take? Well, again, like I said, it depends, but I wanna share this with you in my, during my, uh, one and a half year journey. Cause that’s where I am right now. A little bit over one and a half years now, cuz time keeps marching on, it doesn’t stop for us, right?

Speaker 1: (10:54)
Um, during that journey, I’ve also worked on other things. So it’s not just a matter of me or anybody else just eating mushrooms or consuming mushrooms several times per week and then kicking back and say, Oh, everything’s gonna be fine. No, you, I looked into a lot of other things. First of all, I did continue seeing my doctor, my psychiatrist for my mental health. I continued seeing him. But I will tell you, it got to the point where we both looked at each other and said, and he said to me, even, and I’ve talked about this earlier, he said to me, Dave, what you’ve learned and what you’ve accomplished from these magic mushrooms from microdosing, it will, it would’ve taken you. And it takes my patients years and years and sometimes decades or more to get where you’ve been with the rewiring of your brain from the magic mushrooms.

Speaker 1: (11:51)
And that made me feel so good because again, I’ve talked about this before, but, but talk therapy, I think, you know, it could be good for some people. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, but it’s very, very slow and it’s usually best used as an adjunct to something else because talk therapy alone, I, I, I’m sorry, I’ve just never seen talk therapy alone. Like totally turned somebody’s life around and now they’re feeling better every day just, just because of talk therapy. Again, it can help, but it’s not the, it’s not the do all end all. It’s, it’s really not. So in my journey with microdosing magic mushrooms, I looked into so many things. Um, I, I, there’s, there’s no ambassador for your health better than you are. And for my health, there’s no ambassador better than I am. Now, I have a team of doctors that I work with, one of ’em being a psychiatrist, but I also work with my family practice, you know, my primary care.

Speaker 1: (12:48)
Um, you know, I’ve got, I’ve got different doctors that I see if I need them for certain things. Um, and by the way, this is a real quick aside, but this is, this is, again, this is important. Um, I threw up, No, that doesn’t sound good. I didn’t throw up, I threw, I threw a question up. , I threw a question on my YouTube channel. Um, I think it was just yesterday. Yesterday, the day before. Um, the question was, have you shared with your doctor your microdosing journey, basically, have you told your doctor that you’re using matching mushrooms? And what do you think the percentage was of people that, um, answer answered that and said, Yes, I’ve shared this with my doctor. Do you have a guess? What would your guess be if you had to guess what percentage of people that kind of in our group here that follow me and listen to the podcast and watch the YouTube channel and, um, or on the Facebook, by the way, Facebook group.

Speaker 1: (13:39)
Um, I started this, um, a week or two ago and it’s really growing. And, um, in between episodes here, if you want to hang out with me and I’ll answer questions, um, I’ll put a link to that Facebook group in the show notes here, because it’s, it’s really something that’s, that’s working out very well. And it’s a place where we can all kind of hang out together and we can discuss things and, and talk about, you know, issues and answer questions. It’s, it’s really great. It’s called microdose You. Um, it is a group, it’s not a page, it’s a group on Facebook. And again, just click the link in the show notes and you’ll get right there. And, um, and that’ll be great to hang out with you, but only, okay, what was your guess? What percentage of people share this journey with their doctor?

Speaker 1: (14:24)
If you guessed 50%, five, zero, or 50%, you’re wrong. Guess what? It’s 15 to 16%. Last I looked at the poll, it’s still ongoing, but last I looked at the poll, it was right around 15 to 16% of you are sharing this with your doctor. Personally, I think that’s not a good move because, um, so I shared this with two of my doctors already, and the response I got from them, from them was, was nothing short of super, super positive. Any doctor these days, even though yes, it is illegal in most areas that are, I’m reaching here, it’s illegal to use psilocybin. I get that, but forgetting about that first, second, most doctors understand that this is a, an up and coming, uh, quickly emerging, um, way to treat mental issues such as, uh, depression. Uh, you, you know, the whole thing, depression, anxiety, the whole, the list goes on.

Speaker 1: (15:28)
I’ve said it a million times, you know that, um, why wouldn’t you discuss this with your doctor? Why wouldn’t you tell him or her? Is it that you’re embarrassed, afraid illegal? They’re not allowed, they’re not going to turn you in. They’re not allowed to do that. This is confidential. It’s patient doctor confidentiality, and they’re not allowed to call the police on, and nor nor would they, why would they do that? Um, I’ve had great, great, um, conversations with my doctors about this, and they’re, they’re all in and they, even though they might not do it themselves, they understand it. Um, they’re positive about it. They’re, they’re, they’re in favor of it. Um, and if you, if you have a doctor that you tell that you’re doing this, and the doctor, um, says, Well, no, I don’t want you doing this. Um, I would ask why point blank.

Speaker 1: (16:20)
Um, and I would, if they, if they’re adamant about that, and if you don’t feel it’s a good reason, like you just sh I just don’t think it’s good. You shouldn’t do it. It’s a drug, you shouldn’t do it, then I would look for another doctor, because most doctors that are really up on this type of stuff, um, understand it and see that this has tremendous potential. So for a doctor to say, No, this is crazy. This is, uh, this is something you need to stay away from, it’s snake oil, it don’t believe it, it’s new age, then I would, I would probably not go to that doctor. I would want a doctor that’s more progressive and understands what’s, what’s going on. So what did I work on during my microdosing and what do I still work on? Um, something that’s very, very important is sleep.

Speaker 1: (17:12)
And nobody really talks about that. That much mean people, Oh, you gotta get a good night’s sleep. But let me tell you something, sleep is really, really important and extremely serious. If you’re not getting not only the right amount of hours of sleep, but the proper sleep, meaning the proper amount of deep sleep, um, you don’t ha you’re not waking up due to some obstruction like sleep apnea, which by the way, I have, I was diagnosed with that and I never knew it. And so I’ve really looked into my sleep and learned a lot and worked with it. And I am sleeping through the night now at the very most. I’ll get up once in the middle of the night to go use the bathroom, but generally speaking, I sleep through the night. Um, seven and a half hours is like the goal. It’s like the, it’s the sweet spot.

Speaker 1: (17:58)
So eight is okay, and seven is okay, but if you’re sleeping less than seven or more than eight, it’s actually not good for your health. Like you would think that, oh, if, if seven and a half or eight hours of sleep is really good, if I get 10, I’m gonna be super healthy. No, it doesn’t work like that. It’s actually, it’s actually quite bad for your health. Look that up. Look that up. Um, people are shown to have more heart problems, um, and, and things like that if you, if you get too much sleep. So check that out. But, but my point is, I’ve been working on a tremendous amount of things in my own, for my own health in my, with my body. Sleep is a major one. I’m now using a a C P A P machine. Uh, it’s actually a, a slightly different version of a C pap called an as V.

Speaker 1: (18:44)
Um, which assists me during the night when I would stop breathing because of my sleep apnea. And it’s been a game changer. Now, I’m not saying that you have sleep apnea, I don’t know, but I will tell you this, 80%, it’s very prevalent, at least here in the us and I’m, I have no reason to believe it’s not prevalent all over the world because we’re all humans come from the same place. Um, 80% of the cases of sleep apnea, 80% are undiagnosed. That means out of all the people on the planet that have sleep apnea, only 20% know about it. And probably a small percentage of that actually do something about it. It’s really scary. And obstructive sleep apnea or, or sleep apnea in general, whether, whether it’s obstructive or uh, central or whatever it might be, um, is a very, very serious issue that many people have that don’t know it.

Speaker 1: (19:39)
How do you know if you have it? We’ll, talk to your doctor and, and just ask for a sleep study. Usually insurance covers it and it’s, it will tell you a lot about your sleep and about your health. Super important. Um, should everybody have one? I I don’t know the answer to that, but certainly if you’ve got a couple extra pounds on you, if you feel that you’ve got some anxiety and depression, if your blood pressure is up a little bit, um, or a lot, um, if you’re sleepy during the day, sometimes if you feel that you have to, you’re tired, you, uh, if you feel like you almost wanna fall asleep behind the wheel, just all then I would, I would get tested. I would have a test for sleep apnea. Talk to your doctor about that. But I worked on that. I’ve been working on my eating program, but what I eat, what I put into my body, um, exercise, um, I’ve been doing a, um, a mental exercise every sing a men, you know, I do physical exercise, a lot of that, but I do a mental exercise every morning.

Speaker 1: (20:40)
Um, and I start off when I wake up in the morning, uh, with a very positive mantra, and I say something like, It’s a good day. It’s a beautiful day, it’s a positive day. I am positive and I will stay positive. I am centered and I will stay centered. And I have a shield around me protecting me from negative and bad. I would say that 10 times to myself or out loud, it’s better out loud. Or I would write it down every single morning. Now I don’t do it every morning now because I’ve done it so much. I’m, I’ve kind of flipped that switch and I, it’s one of the reasons I have a totally different outlook on life Now, try that. Go back and rewind. If, if rewind is the right word these days, I don’t even know. Go back to that where I said that and mark it somehow, or write it down and try saying that every single morning.

Speaker 1: (21:31)
And it’s very powerful. If you at least write it down once, it’s very, very easy. You’ll, you’ll memorize it in a second. It’s a good day. It’s a beautiful day. It’s a positive day. I am positive and I will stay positive. I am centered and I will stay centered. And I have a shield around me protecting me from negative and bad. If you do just that every morning along with your microdosing or you don’t even have to microdose to do that, you will, in about 30 days, you will flip this switch that you never knew existed. You’ll feel totally different about things. And also it really does help if you first thing in the morning along with that, well, you can’t do it exactly the same time, but either before or right after. Uh, watch something very funny on a video. Watch something funny, like, like some type of comedy, some type of comic, some type of cartoon that might be funny.

Speaker 1: (22:22)
Um, just for five or 10 minutes, that’s all. And if you don’t have that kind of time to put into your health every single morning, then what kind of results are you expecting? Are you expecting this just all magic and it’s just gonna, you eat a little magic mushroom, it’s gonna, everything’s gonna change in your life? Well, it’s gonna help you. The magic mushroom will help you a lot. I don’t wanna downplay that, but you’ve gotta do the work alongside of it to get better, to feel better. How would it feel to wake up every morning and you get outta bed and you just kind of float through your day in a, in a very good way. Like just there’s, there are no, there no like terrible issues that come up. There’s nothing that’s bothering you. How would you, how would you like that? Now again, we’re, we’re all human.

Speaker 1: (23:11)
And if like somebody, for example, if somebody very close to you passes away, you’re going to be sad. And that’s totally fine. We have emotions. You want to be sad, you’re gonna feel that, but you’re not gonna let your inner voice, the things that are bothering you now, you’re not gonna let that inner voice and all these crazy things, you’re not gonna let that bother you anymore, ever. And this is the start to you feeling better every single day for the rest of your life. So, circling back, Dr. Dave, but how long does it take? I don’t know it, When it happens, it happens, and you will know it, it will happen. So when it happens, please drop me a line. Let me know. Even if it’s a year from now, I’m here, I’ll be here. I’m God willing, I’ll be here. , I’m not that old.

Speaker 1: (24:06)
I’m old, but I’m not that old . So my, my email address is, uh, is, what is it? It’s, it’s run Dr. Dave at Gmail run. Dr. Dave, it’s r u n d r d a v e, all one word. Of course run. Dr. Dave all case. I don’t think it’s case sensitive either. But, um, run Dr. Love to hear from you. Just let me know how you’re feeling, let me know how you, how this is resonating with you. And, um, before I leave you, just something super important. If you listen all the way, you’re engaged, I mean, I don’t mean engaged to be married. I mean, you’re en you’re engaged with me in, in, in this, in this topic. You, you want to do something. So one way you could just help me out a little bit. It’ll take you five seconds. Go on to wherever you’re getting your podcasts, Apple podcasts or whatever, and just gimme a, gimme your review, gimme your rating and review.

Speaker 1: (24:59)
It really does help the show and it does help more when you do that, especially if it’s a good one, which I hope it is. Um, but I want it to be honest. But, but if you do that, and when you do that, it just helps the podcast, uh, grow a little bit more by they, they show it to more people. If it’s got a better rating, more rating, more people listening, show it to more people. And that all that means is I can help more people like you that are hurting, that need help, that don’t know where to turn to that just need something in their lives that to change them and make them feel better. That’s all I ask. So that was it for today. I, I hope you enjoy and thanks for being with me. Thanks for sticking till the end. I am Dr. Dave, this is Microdose you. I’ll talk to you soon.

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241 – It’s More Than Anxiety or Depression

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Here is the transcript to today’s episode:

Dr. Dave: (00:00)
Hey there, how are you? Welcome back to Microdose U Dr. Dave here from Rockport State Park in Utah. Um, just a kind of a quick overnight here. We, um, my wife and I just got over two weeks of covid and it was really rough and we just had to cancel a pretty long road trip that we were planning for a long time. We were very upset about this, so we figured let’s get out and at least do an overnight here at Rockport State Park. It’s a beautiful reservoir with mountains. Let me just show you because I want to share something with you that’s really, really important. Now, you can see some mountains in the background here, and there’s a reservoir. Um, and if I ask you to, let’s say you were a little kid and I you to draw me a mountain, your picture would be pretty much probably, you know, like a big dome, half dome or something, or could have like a pointed top.

Dr. Dave: (00:55)
But it would be a pretty simple picture of a mountain because when you think of a mountain, most people think of pretty simple, um, thing that’s coming out of the, out of the ground that, um, rises up into the air and, um, that’s it. Okay? But mountains are actually a lot more complex if you’re actually on a mountain or, or visualizing a mountain from, you know, from where I am, you can see that there are many, many different aspects and, and geological features of mountains that are just, it’s more than just, it’s a lot more. There are ridges, there are, um, valleys there, there many times, like secondary mountains within a mountain. There could be definitely different peaks within one mountain, a summit. It’s just, there are a lot of things going gullies. There are a lot of things going on in a mountain that are actually kind of complex, um, geologically or geographically, whatever, whatever the right word would be there.

Dr. Dave: (01:48)
It doesn’t really matter what the right word is because my point is, um, when you take something like, um, anxiety, it’s very easy to say, Well, I’ve got anxiety. And you think of a picture, you picture that as like, um, okay, I, I feel anxious all the time. I feel anxious. But there’s a lot more going on with anxiety than just simply being anxious. Um, with your, if you’re, if you’ve got anxiety, uh, chances are you’ve got a lot of other things going on in your body. Um, inflammation, um, high blood pressure, uh, maybe diabetes or prediabetes or some type of metabolic syndrome. Uh, maybe if you’re anxious, you’re having frequent, um, arguments with friends or spouse or family members because of anxiety and, um, a lot more things go into that. You probably with inflammation and, and, uh, and high blood pressure. You could be depositing, um, plaque in your arteries.

Dr. Dave: (02:57)
So my point is, you can say you have anxiety, but if you explore deeper, just like I explore the mountain deeper in, it’s just not, it’s not just, duh do, it’s a very complex geological feature or geological thing. , I don’t, I can’t think of the right word. . Um, so you’re here because you likely have either anxiety or depression or, um, ptsd, addiction, uh, insomnia. The list goes on and on because there’s so many great reasons that you might wanna microdose that could take care of, take care of your issues. But please always remember it’s a lot more complex than just anxiety. And, um, when you treat your anxiety, whether you treat it with matching mushrooms or anything, when you treat your anxiety, and I found out this, I found this out firsthand, all these other things melt away. So it’s no longer, oh, I just, I’m just not anxious anymore.

Dr. Dave: (04:10)
It’s no longer that it’s more, Hey, my blood pressure is now normal. My thought process, my brain fog is, is gone. My, my, you know, I can think clearly, my cognitive abilities are much better. I’m getting along with people much better now. I feel like I can go out and do things. Um, it’s so much more complex than just, I don’t have anxiety anymore. And a lot of these things that come along with anxiety or depression or whatever, um, they’re eating, they’re eating away. Your body, whether you know it or not, or whether you like it or not, or whether you believe it or not, they are eating away at your body. Trust me on that, please. It’s very, very important to understand this. So I want you to always picture that mountain in the background and how you would draw a picture of a mountain and then think, Wow, no, I’m not drawing the mountain correctly.

Dr. Dave: (05:06)
There’s a lot more to this mountain than I could ever draw, and there’s a lot more to anxiety or depression or PTSD or the like that, that I could ever even imagine. So when I’m curing myself, when I’m helping myself, when I’m treating myself, a lot of these other things are going to go away and I’m gonna have the picture of health. I feel that now. I totally feel that now. Um, and I hope you do too. And I really thank you so much for being with me. I really, really appreciate you. If you ever have any questions, just put ’em in the comments. I try my best to answer just about everything I can, and some people email me, whatever you wanna do. I try my best to get back to you. Sometimes I’m a little bit busy and it takes days or maybe sometimes week. But , I

Dr. Dave: (05:57)
Generally try to answer everything I can that I can. Anyway, thanks so much for being with me. Microdose you. I am Dr. Dave. And by the way, just to let, if you’re still with me, you might wanna know, um, my, so I’m recording this and my videos go to my YouTube channel first. My YouTube channel is simply called Microdose U. Um, there’s a little bit of a lag time, but then they, ultimately, the audio portion will ultimately make it to my audio podcast, which is also called Microdose u. It’s on, it’s on Apple podcast. Um, you know, so you can find it there. But, um, the, if you’re listening or watching right now, the, the video is always ahead. Um, the video’s more, um, what’s the word I’m looking for? Timely because I get them right out. Whereas the audio podcast is delayed a little bit. So if you’re like a fanatic and you want to binge and you want to hear everything or see everything, then the YouTube channel is the way to go. If you’re more of an audio person you like to walk around listening, then that’s totally fine. You’re gonna get everything. You’re gonna get almost everything almost. But, um, it’ll just be a little bit of a lag time. So anyway, that’s my story. I’m sticking to it because it’s microdose you. Thanks so much.

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240 – How Many Friends Have I Really Got?

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Here is the transcript to today’s episode:

Dr. Dave: (00:00)
Hey there, I do not need a hundred friends, and I’m going to explain to you what I mean by that right now in this show. Hey, there. Welcome back to Microdose You. I’m Dr. Dave, and in this show we talk about all things microdose, magic, mushrooms, how to improve your life through microdosing, psychedelics, and, um, how to take care of things like depression and, um, PTSD and anxiety. And the list goes on and on and on. Well, I’ve been thinking about this for a while, and, um, I wanna know how many friends you really have. Um, I don’t have a lot of friends and, and I, but don’t, don’t feel sorry for me because there are a lot of people I hang out with a lot, and I have good times with these people, but when I say a friend, I mean a true friend.

Dr. Dave: (00:46)
Um, a friend that you could call is three in the morning if you have a problem. And that person will listen to you without any kind of judgment and help you out in any way that person can. That is the type of friend I’m talking about. We all need one of those. And I’m also not referring to a, a spouse, a husband, a wife, uh, a significant other. I’m talking about somebody that outside of your everyday relationship, um, that one person, all you need is one, um, that you can say anything to. And I mean anything your deepest, darkest secrets and you will get advice and you will not get weird looks, You will not get shunned. I’m talking about that person. Do you have one? I hope you do. I do. I’ve had one and this person has been, I say my, in my life and my best friend for, um, let’s just say a long, long time.

Dr. Dave: (01:38)
And I know this person was responsible for helping me get through my terrible two to three years that I just experienced, um, before I actually got into magic mushrooms and microdosing. And I went through a lot of depression and anxiety and crazy stuff with work and just all kinds of stuff that really, and, and, um, even back when I was getting divorced, my, my, from my first marriage, this person was always with me and I could confide and I would always get, um, I would always have somebody to lean on. Yeah, we all have friends, We all have a certain number of friends, but the type of friends that we just kind of go to the park with or go, you know, go to a movie with or go out to eat, they’re not always, sometimes they can be, but they’re not always the type of friend that you need that can seriously, and I mean, seriously help you through things that are going on in your life.

Dr. Dave: (02:31)
And again, I say without any judgment, without any jealousy, this is somebody that you can talk about a great achievement, that you’ve had somebody, something that really went great in your life, and that person is never jealous and never tries to compete with you in any way, and is always there to support you and help you and encourage you and, and, and root you on and want you to do better and better and better. There are not many people like that. I remember from my first marriage, uh, we had a lot of friends, our social calendar was always booked at anybody looking from the outside would think, Wow, they’ve got so many good friends and they’re so popular and they’re always doing something and they’re always traveling and going to the movies and restaurants and events and social gatherings. Guess what? I was lonely because these friends were friends.

Dr. Dave: (03:20)
And I found out the reason I, and I never realized it, maybe I’m stupid, but I never realized, but I found out after a really tough event took place in my life, and that was a divorce. And these friends scurried faster than the fastest mice you would ever see on this planet. I mean, they scurried all over the place, but away from me. And I don’t think any of them even ever for a second sat down and said, David, are you okay? Are you doing all right? Tell me, tell me, tell me what happened. No, because it wouldn’t look good. It wouldn’t look good to them. And, and they were just out there like a flash said, I realized after, after 20 some years, I realized those type of friends or friends, they’re not friends. They’re, they’re, they’re acquaintances that look good. And you don’t need people like that.

Dr. Dave: (04:09)
I would rather do stuff by myself every single day or do stuff with my wife every single day than have a friend like that that is a friend and who needs that stuff. Um, I really want deep, intimate relationship where you can share anything. Again, unjudged, without any jealousy, competition or anything whatsoever. Uh, I have that friend and I’m really, really thankful that I have that friend and I wouldn’t trade anything in the world for that friend. And I want to know, do you have a friend like that? Do you have somebody that you can lean on? Because it’s gonna really be important. You’re listening to this channel or you’re watching this channel because chances are you have something going on in your life that have has brought you to me. You wanna learn more about microdosing and that’s fine. We talk about that on, on most videos, but a lot of times there’s things we need to talk about to help you do the work that Microdosing is gonna assist you with and help you with.

Dr. Dave: (05:07)
But you need to do other things to help you, help you in your life. And having a really, really special person, uh, in your life, a friend is very uber super important. And I want to urge you to have that person. So if you don’t think, if, if you have that person, you know it. And I’m talking about absolute 100%. I’m not talking about a 90% friend, I’m talking about a 100% friend. But, um, I want you to write down in the comments, if you have that type of friend, how many you have, one is totally acceptable. You don’t need more than one. But if you have zero, if you don’t have any, that’s something that I would be concerned about. One of my favorite songs ever, because it means so much to me, is, um, by a band call. You’ve heard of the who, of course you have your, if you’re my age or somewhere around my age, and back in I was at the early to mid seventies, they put out this album called, um, The Who By Numbers.

Dr. Dave: (06:02)
And there’s a song on side too. If you have the Vinyl, which I have, it’s called How Many Friends. And I just wanted to share, it goes, How many friends have I really got? You can count ’em on one hand, How many friends have I really got that Love me, that want me, that’ll take me as I am. Do you have that person? Please put it in the comments. Let me know. I’m here. I love you. I really hope you have that person. If you don’t, I beg you, I beg you to put your life’s work into finding that friend. It is perhaps the most important thing you could ever do in your life. Till next time, Dr. Dave Microdose you. I’ll talk to you soon.

Dr. Dave: (06:45)
Hey, it’s Dr. Dave coming back to you after the show. I really appreciate you being here. And if you could just do me one little favor before you go, it’ll take you about 30 seconds of your time, go onto your podcast platform and give us a rating and a review. Um, it takes just a little bit of your time and it really, really will help the show immensely. I’m trying to get the word out to people all over the world because so many people are struggling and they need help and this is the way they’re gonna find out about us. So take a little bit of your time, do it for us. I really appreciate you. Thanks so much.

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Special Episode – Why You Should NOT Be Worried About Microdosing Magic Mushrooms

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Nothing here is to be taken as medical advice. Dr. Dave is sharing his personal story with you. Please contact your healthcare professional to find out if this is right for you.

Here is the transcript to today’s episode:

Speaker 1: (00:00)
Hey, there is Dr. Dave, and I’m gonna be sharing with you today why you should not be afraid to microdose or you should not be concerned about using magic, mushrooms, psilocybin, et cetera. We’re gonna get into all of that today. Thanks so much for being with me. I really appreciate you. By the way, this is a special edition of my podcast. Um, it’s coming out on a day. I usually release the podcast, the audio shows on Fridays. It’s coming out a little bit earlier. I just wanna test this and see how it goes. I throw in a special edition for you, special episode for you. See how you like it. It’s gonna be a little bit longer than most cause I’m gonna give you a lot of information. So let’s dig in right now. And by the way, if you like what you hear either now or when you get a chance, the end of the show, I’ll go into the, um, go into your podcast app and just give me a, uh, a good, honest review.

Speaker 1: (00:50)
It really helps the show. And I’m here to just share my personal story with people across the globe because I’ve, I’ve found out that, um, not only did I have some issues with depression and anxiety and PTSD and and things like that, but I found out that so many people, so many of you have issues that are very similar to mine. And even if they’re not exactly the same, I am a, um, really, really firm believer that microdosing magic mushrooms is the answer. It was for me. I’m not special. I’m not, I’m no different than you probably, although everybody’s different. I’m, I’m, you know, I’m not that much different. We’re all not, we’re all not that much different from each other. It will work for you. It’s, it’s, but you have to do it. But number one, you can’t be worried or afraid. Um, and that’s one of the biggest reasons that people read about it.

Speaker 1: (01:45)
Listen to podcasts, watch YouTube videos, and, and do a lot of research. But then for some reason, they just never start. And I’m here to address a lot of the reasons why people don’t get started. And also, um, why you should not be afraid to get started. Because there’s really, it’s, it’s actually pretty simple and there’s nothing to it. But you do have to know a few things for sure. So one of the reasons, um, that you or possibly other people do not, I mean, they look into it so much and they wanna do it, but they just don’t get started, is because they’re afraid. Um, they could be afraid of, or you, you could be afraid of several different things, one thing. But the most common things that people are worried about, well, number one, let’s just tackle this one right away. Um, it’s in most, in most places, I’m recording here from Utah in the United States, in most places, it is a felony.

Speaker 1: (02:38)
It’s a fe, it’s federally illegal. It is, um, you, you, you, you, it’s, it’s, you’ll get in trouble. You’ll get in trouble if you get caught. But having said that, I think if you are just using a little bit to microdose and you have a reliable source, um, and you’re doing this in the privacy, privacy of your own, own home, uh, the, the chance of anything really happening, I mean, I can’t say it’s impossible, but the chance, if you’re super careful like I am, if you’re super careful, uh, you’re gonna be fine with that. So the, um, oh, I don’t, as you know, if you’re been listening to me for a while, I don’t discuss sourcing here. I don’t source at all. Um, please don’t ask me where to get magic mushrooms or psilocybin or anything. Like, don’t, don’t ask me cuz I’m not gonna be able to share because I want to keep this show clean.

Speaker 1: (03:29)
Um, meaning I don’t want to tread on anything or cross any lines that make things illegal. So, you know, I it’s totally fine that I can relate my story to you all, and I’m happy to do that. And I’m being very transparent and I’ll share anything. If you, if have a question, I’ll answer your questions. Um, and by the way, if you want to email me, my email address is run dr dave It’s simply rundrdave at gmail. I’m going to be setting up, um, I’m working on setting up a Facebook group that we can all jump on because I know sometimes it’s, it’s hard to, you know, might be not a simple thing to communicate with me or maybe other like-minded people that, that are in this community. And I’m, I’m going to be setting up a Facebook group.

Speaker 1: (04:17)
It’s most likely going to simply be called microdose You. And that’s the letter you micro, micro microdose you. And that will give us like a, um, a place, a safe place, and it’ll be a private group that’ll give us a safe place where we can kind of hang out in between shows and talk and ask questions and answer questions and the like and things like that. So, but getting back to again, um, number one is, um, you have to find a reliable source. And going on Instagram is not finding a reliable source because 99.999% of the people on Instagram that tell you that they know everything and they’re gonna help you and they’re gonna coach you, and they’re gonna be, they’re gonna be taking your money. That’s what they’re gonna be doing. If you don’t believe me, try it out and you will lose your money.

Speaker 1: (05:07)
And please, I won’t say I told you so, but please be super careful. You need to speak to people and you need to talk to people that either you know personally or somebody that you’re extremely close with and you trust knows personally. There are no other excuses and no other, um, reasons or no other ways to, to get this. But I will tell you this, it’s very, very easy. Very easy, okay? So, um, let, let me so we got that out of the way. Um, you’re, you’re not sure where to get it and we kind of got it outta the way. Cause I, although I can’t tell you where to get it, you know, now that, um, it’s, it’s not difficult. And just do some research. And if you’re not still not sure, do a Google search for, for example, something like, um, psychedelic therapy coach followed by your name, um, I’m sorry, your town, your town or your city.

Speaker 1: (06:00)
Um, there are psychedelic coaches in almost every city in town. Um, some of them are therapists, some of them are life coaches. Some of them are just self-proclaimed people that can help people on a psychedelic journey. But the reason you’re doing that, again, if you’re not sure where to get, where to source your, your medicine from, is, um, these coaches or these psychedelic therapists, um, can generally help you. You may have to pay for a session or two to go in and meet with them and talk, but, um, in the end, I’m pretty sure you will be able to find somebody that, um, will, will help you reach that goal of finding your medicine if you have not been able to do it on your own or with the help of a friend or friends or maybe other communities. Okay? So we got that part outta the way.

Speaker 1: (06:48)
Now, most likely, what you’re concerned about or what you’re afraid of is what’s going to happen when I take this psychedelic medicine. I mean, I could flip out, I could have a bad trip, I could have psychosis, I could, I could have suicide, suicidal, thought I could just kill my, okay, well, let’s get this out of the way as well. That’s not gonna happen. We’re talking, first of all, it generally does not happen with a regular macro dose that people take, you know, larger doses like, uh, many grams, but it’s not going to happen. Remember, we’re talking about microdosing. We’re talking about a dose that is basically around a 10th, a 10th or a 20th of what somebody would take to let’s say trip or go to a party or recreationally have, um, a good time with this plant-based medicine, which I’m not even recommending necessarily.

Speaker 1: (07:46)
I’m rec, I am a micro doser and I’m using this in a serious way as a plant medicine to rewire and rework the neurons in my, the neuro pathways in my brain to get rid of this anxiety and depression and PTSD and worry and all kinds of things. Now I’ve been doing this for a year and a half medicine’s done its job. I feel great, I feel fantastic, and I felt fantastic fairly early on. Although over the months and months leading up to the year and a half, I could tell it was always getting better. But on the very first day, I, I like you, I didn’t know what to expect. I mean, I grew up in the sixties and seventies. I graduated high school in the early seventies. So I’m, you know, I’m a little bit on the older side and I’ve had a lot of experience with, uh, marijuana.

Speaker 1: (08:40)
I mean, I, I started using marijuana recreationally, um, back in high school. And to this day, I still use it responsibly, uh, when I want to. Um, never been a, never been a drug abuser. I’ve never been addicted to anything. I don’t use alcohol at all. Uh, a little bit here and there. If my wife and I are having a nice dinner, I might drink a little bit of sake or, or soju, which is a Korean, uh, liquor. But, um, I, I really drink very, very little alcohol. But I, one thing I never really got into in, back in the day, back in the high school days in college, and even after that, I never got into psychedelics. And I had friends that were using mushrooms and LSD and probably other things. And, and you know, I heard all kinds of stories. There was a guy in my high school class, I think it was 11th or 12th grade guy actually took acid.

Speaker 1: (09:31)
I’m not sure, I’m not sure if LSD actually, I’m not sure if LSD or, uh, some type of, uh, I, I’m not, It was some type of psychedelic, I’m assuming it was lsd, but I’m not sure. And the guy, the guy flipped out. He somehow ended up in, he just never showed up at school again. He, he, the word was, he ended up in a, in a mental institution for, for a while. Now he’s, okay, now I still, I’m still in touch with him, but he was put away for, I don’t remember how long. It seemed like, it seemed like weeks back then. It could have been months. I’m just not sure. He just, he just never came back to school. And I think the next year, if this was 11th grade, he may have come back, but I don’t really remember much. But this is a, uh, it’s not the normal story and it won’t happen to you because number one, he was taking large doses.

Speaker 1: (10:18)
He probably did not know what he was doing. He probably did not have his set and setting right and, and just all kinds of things were going into this. But again, he was not microdosing. Uh, the good news is, even if you were to take larger doses, there’s no real, um, lethal amount and you can’t overdose. You’re not gonna, you’re not gonna die from eating mushrooms unless you take a poisonous mushroom. So you have to be careful that you’re sourcing, of course. But if your sourcing is good and reliable and ethical, you’re, you’re not gonna be, you’re not gonna be worried about that. But again, you’re gonna be microdosing. So you’re gonna be taking anywhere from 50 milligrams, which is 0.05 grams. Now remember, you’ve gotta be good at metric and metric conversion because you gotta be able to think fast. So 50 milligrams is like the very, very, very low end of a microdose.

Speaker 1: (11:06)
It’s 0.05 grams. Um, and it could go, a microdose could go up to, um, about 250 milligrams, which is 0.25 grams a quarter of a gram. Um, and some people would say, Well, even if you stretch it up to 0.3 grams, 300 milligrams. And when I, when I give those weights, I’m talking about dried ground up mushrooms. That’s generally the way we use mushrooms for a microdose dried, totally dried ground up, like in a coffee grinder and usually put into capsules or tea at tea bags. Um, if you have a source, a lot of sources will do that for you already. But some people will sell you just, um, the mushrooms, the dried mushrooms, and then you, you have to grind them and put ’em in a grinder or, um, use a mortar and pestle or something to grind them up into find, uh, little, uh, find little, uh, particles and, is that the right word?

Speaker 1: (12:01)
Particles, Find little powder or whatever you wanna say . Um, um, and then you put them in a teabag or, um, or, or, or, uh, capsules. But again, I i, I did a whole video, uh, not I, I did a whole podcast on, uh, on this and it’s called The Absolute Beginner’s Guide to Microdosing Magic Mushrooms. It takes you from start to finish, uh, on, if you’re total beginner on how to start dosing with magic mushrooms, what, what dose would you start at? How long you should do it, How many days on, how many days off it tell, it gives all that information I’m thinking about in the near future doing an update on that. But right now, um, it’s totally good. It’s accurate, it’s up to date. I just wanted to kind of do a newer one to kind of get more out there for people.

Speaker 1: (12:50)
But the one I’ve recorded a few months ago is, um, very, very accurate and good. And it gets a lot of listens on this podcast here. So see if you can find it. It’s called The Absolute Beginner’s Guide to Microdosing Magic Mushrooms. Okay, so we got this out of the way that you are not going to have a bad trip. You’re not gonna be in the hospital, nothing’s, you’re not gonna get anxious. Nothing bad’s gonna happen to you because again, it’s a microdose. Now, when I first took my very first microdose, now remember I was on an ssri, I was on Lexapro, uh, I was actually on 20 milligrams a day, which is a high end dose of Lexapro. So when I took my very first microdose, I didn’t really know how I was gonna feel. I wasn’t scared. I mean, I wasn’t worried or wasn’t anxious about that, but I j I knew that it was not gonna harm me.

Speaker 1: (13:46)
And I knew that if anything, I wasn’t positive yet. But I knew, if anything, it was the beginning of my journey to stop being anxious, stop having this anxiety, stop having this depression, control the PTSD and any other things and get just, and just basically get me more motivated and, and have, enjoy my life more. Cause I was getting into ruts where I just, sometimes I just didn’t feel like could even do anything. It was horrible. So I took this very first dose and just from memory, I’m pretty sure it was 0.2 grams. It might have been 0.25, but, so let’s say it was anywhere in the range of 0.2 to 0.25, which again is 200 milligrams, 250 milligrams, dried magic mushrooms, um, in a capsule. So I swallowed the capsule, drank some water with it. Of course, it’s always good to drink a lot of water.

Speaker 1: (14:38)
And I sat back and waited. And remember, it’s a micro dose, so you’re not, so things aren’t gonna really just start happening. Like, I’m not gonna start seeing colors. I’m not gonna go on a trip. I’m not gonna be like, uh, like psychedelic a I’m, I’m not gonna be high. It’s just, it’s a microdosed. So what I did, I, um, after I drank some water with it, a good amount of water, I turned on the TV and I turned on something. I, I, I can’t remember which show was, but it’s, it’s really funny. I remember within a half an hour to an hour I was watching TV in my living room and some commercial came on and I just started laughing and laughing and I don’t know why, why I was laughing cuz the commercial wasn’t really like, particularly funny. But I just, I just started laughing at this commercial and then I thought, well, you know, okay, I know that magic mushrooms or psychedelics or special psilocybin is supposed to you, It can make you giddy, it can make you laugh at things that maybe aren’t even funny.

Speaker 1: (15:36)
You just kind of go into these laughing fits. So I don’t know whether that was like a preconceived notion that, um, I knew that was probably supposed to happen. So it made me like, almost like a placebo. So it made me laugh. I don’t know. I’ll never know. To this day, um, my guess is that it was probably like a placebo. Like I just started laughing cuz I knew that maybe that was the right thing to do, but I really did feel like laughing. I really felt that this was funny. And then after that, I took a walk. Um, I’ve got this beautiful park right across the street from my house. So I went and took a walk in the park with my iPhone with that has music on it and my, um, earbuds or headphones. I can’t remember which ones I used that particular day.

Speaker 1: (16:20)
But I went on top of this hill in the park and I just laid down and I put my earbuds in and I put on Sergeant Pepper by the Beatles. You’re most likely familiar with that album. It’s from 1967 and it’s a really nice, like psychedelic work of art. It’s just a beautiful album anyway, and my feeling is they absolutely wrote this and, and played this music while they were on some type of psychedelics. I mean, it’s, it’s so clear. But what I realized though, and this is, remember, this is the first microdose ever. I had never taken a psychedelic before. What I realized is I was laying down in the park listening to this album, this beautiful album on in my, through my earbuds. Um, I figured out that this, The Beatles absolutely recorded this album for people to listen to while on psychedelic drugs or plant medicine, a psychedelic plant medicine, I should say that’s a better word, plant medicine, drugs, drugs, sound bad.

Speaker 1: (17:24)
Plant medicine sounds a lot better. And that’s what this is. It, it, it’s natural plant medicine. It’s not a pharmaceutical. It comes from the ground naturally. You don’t have to alter it in any way. So there, so I had this new, uh, kind of like reborn feeling about Sergeant Pepper. It just sounded so wonderful. Then I went on a little, little walk and I was, as I’m walking around, I’m, I’m noticing traffic around my area and around the park. And, and something looked a little bit different about the traffic. Like, I’m thinking like all these cars on the street, like where are they going? This is just like where like people are driving. Are they really going anywhere? Do they know where they’re going? It was just like, kind of like a weird feeling that probably a weird feeling that you have when you’re on like a heavier trip.

Speaker 1: (18:16)
But again, I don’t know whether this was a placebo effect at all, but I was really enjoying my time from laughing at the commercial to listening to the music of, uh, The Beatles and Sergeant Pepper to noticing, um, traffic and pedestrians walking around. It was beautiful. And one other thing I noticed, well probably notice a lot of things, but one other thing I noticed that day was, I normally back then, I normally like to take a nap sometime early afternoon, middle of the day. I just would get tired sometimes. And I, I like to take a nap. But for some reason on that day, I did not have any urge whatsoever to take a nap. I felt like maybe more energetic than anything. And I was going still going through some, some, some health issues back then because I was still working on my, my sleep apnea.

Speaker 1: (19:04)
Um, I was on some blood pressure medication, to which by the way, I’m, I’m pretty much off of just about all medication especi and I was on, I was on Lexapro, which is, uh, you know, antidepressant and ssri. And, um, even though this is beyond the scope of today’s episode, um, I’m off of, I’m off of everything pretty much, except I just went back on a, a very, very low dose of a, um, of a, of a diuretic, a blood pressure med just, just to make sure I keep my blood pressure in check. Um, but nothing like I used to be on. So that happened almost from the beginning, like within the first month, within the first month of microdosing, I felt very comfortable. Um, and, and my monitoring my own blood pressure and, um, weaning myself off of my blood pressure medication. I mean, and along with, uh, talking to my doctor about it too, I just really wouldn’t do this without talking to my, my family, uh, doctor, my family practitioner about this.

Speaker 1: (20:02)
But, um, she was all on board. My blood pressure was low enough to discontinue the meds. So my first experience was a really, really good one. I mean, there was, there was nothing negative whatsoever. And again, I didn’t feel high. I didn’t feel trippy. Um, I could totally function. I didn’t drive that day just because I wasn’t sure what was going to happen, but I absolutely could have driven. And then the next day I, I did the same thing because I was trying to do, I think back then I was trying to do three days on and two days off. This will be explained again, this will be explained a lot more in the, um, episode that’s called the Absolute Beginner’s Guide to Microdosing Magic Mushrooms. But, um, I did a pattern back then where I really pretty much don’t do now, and I, I just pretty much did three days on dosing for three days in a row, then taking two days off of not dosing and just doing a lot of journaling and, and thinking and, and uh, exercise and walking and things like that.

Speaker 1: (21:01)
And then I’d get back into my three days on and two days off. Well, here we are a year and a half later, and if you have any concerns now, I know this is just me, but if you have any concerns at all about I just am worried, I’m afraid hell, I’m gonna feel, I’m telling you again, please don’t worry, it’s a microdose. Micro means extremely small. If you were taking 2, 3, 4, 5 grams, I’d say, well, you need to do a little more research and thinking and make sure you’re in a, a good place and you’re set and setting or perfect and, and maybe you have a trip sitter, things like that. But you’re not, this show is called Microdose U for a reason because it’s a microdose, it’s tiny, it’s not gonna cause a problem. And here’s another thing I will share with you if it does cause a problem, which it won’t, and a a common problem.

Speaker 1: (22:05)
Some people say they do get a little bit of anxiety, I still feel that’s probably more of a placebo and they’re just worried too much. But even if you do get a little bit of anxiety, it wears off in a few hours. You don’t have to worry. You just, you can lay down and take a nap or, or, or listen to some music or something. It’s, it’s, it’s gonna wear off. This is not a permanent effect. If you take a microdose capsule, it’s, it’s not a permanent effect. You’re going to be fine. Now, one of another one of the most commonly asked questions to me and to other people that are, you know, thinking about microdosing is, but Dr. Dave, I’m on a, in antidepressant. I’m on an ssri, which stands for, what it stands for, stands for selective serotonin reuptake in her inhibitor, which does compete, the SSRI and the psilocybin actually compete for the same receptor to get, that’s a way to get into your, into your cell, into your body.

Speaker 1: (23:09)
They compete for the same receptor. So it can be argued. And it is probably true that if you are on an Ss i, it can block or compete or mitigate the amount of, um, psilocybin that’s gonna be able to get into your body as well. Now having said that, I am not going to recommend, and again, this is not medical advice I’m giving you, This is friend talking to friend, I’m your friend and I’m sharing my personal story with you. Um, you know, you might wanna do more research if you feel the need to, but again, I’m, this is, I’m not giving you official medical advice. It’s what I did. But I, I don’t recommend just getting off of your SSRI or an antidepressant because that’s not safe thing to do because you’re on it for some reason. And when you do get off of it and it leaves your bloodstream and leaves your body, you’re eventually going to be having those same symptoms, most likely for anxiety, depression, and probably more.

Speaker 1: (24:09)
So, um, what I did is I started microdosing while I was on my Lexapro and I would just do it the same way as if I weren’t. I I, you know, I started with 200 milligrams in my, in my episode, the Absolute Beginner’s guide. I, I tell you to start with less just to titrate up. But I was doing it. I was microdosing kind of pretending that I wasn’t on anything else, but I was, and that’s, it’s not dangerous. Um, but I wanted to do both at the same time. Now, there came a point in time, which is probably about eight or nine months after I started microdosing, that I started weaning off of my Lexapro and I was able to actually totally discontinue it. And I’ve been off of Lexapro now for, uh, a good a, a good eight months. And I feel really, really great.

Speaker 1: (25:00)
And I attribute that to the microdosing of matching mushrooms because once you get off of Lexapro, it’s a pharmaceutical. Once you get off of it, um, after a few weeks, your body is back to the way it was before Lexapro. In other words, Lexapro is not a cure and I’m using Lexapro, but you can substitute whatever you might be on Paxil. Um, you know, and would just substitute your, the name of your antidepressant or anti-anxiety medication, whatever it might be. Once you get off of it, you’re back to the way you were now. Psilocybin or magic mushrooms were my saving grace because they came in and did the work to rewire my brain so I no longer needed the antidepressant. But you can’t just go getting off antidepressants cuz you feel better because of course you feel better, you’re on them, you’re taking them. But until you substitute something else, in my case, and it sounds like probably in your case, is gonna be psilocybin magic mushrooms until you substitute something else that’s gonna work differently.

Speaker 1: (25:58)
You can’t just discontinue talk to your doctor about that. It’s not a good idea. It’s not safe. So I think I’ve mentioned three things so far. The three reasons why you might be worried about starting it, maybe haven’t started, and those are sourcing, you’re not sure where to get it. Number two, you’re not sure how you’re gonna feel and you’re afraid you’re gonna go into like a psychedelic frenzy. And number three, you might be on some other type of medication, namely an SSRI or antidepressant and you’re, you’re worried and not sure if you have to get off of it. So I hope these three main reasons. Now, there are other reasons why people don’t microdose and, and a a, a big one is just simply procrastinating. Some people are just so good at doing the research and looking into it and spending all their time talking to other people and watching videos and listening to podcasts.

Speaker 1: (26:51)
But then in the end they say, eh, you know, I don’t know, it’s not for me, but that, that’s procrastinating and putting something off that really could help you quite a bit. Now if you don’t wanna do it, don’t do it. I’m not, I’m not asking you or making you, or or strongly suggesting that you do it, It’s up to you. But the story that I share that it’s totally, totally turned my life around and I’m just a regular guy and it totally improved my life. That’s why I’m here sharing the story that you should. There’s nothing to be afraid about. There’s nothing weird about it. It really, really helped me and I’m pretty darn confident it will help you. So I really hope this gives you a little bit of incentive to get going and, and, and get started. If you feel you really need this.

Speaker 1: (27:40)
It’s a life changer for sure. It’s a very sacred plant medicine that’s been used for, um, generations and generations and generations. It’s not new, It’s been around way before you and I, uh, roamed this earth way before. So, um, stick with me. I’m Dr. Dave. This is microdose you. And again, if you could just take a few seconds, I would really appreciate it. This is probably the the best thing you could do to help the show, to help other people because if the show thrives, other people will learn about this. And it’s simple. Just please go in however you’re listening to this. If it’s on Apple Podcast or Spotify or whatever it might be, um, go into the app and give a review, give an honest review. I will say my reviews have been very, very high. Uh, so for some reason you don’t like it.

Speaker 1: (28:29)
Maybe instead of giving a really negative review, get in touch with me and, and we can maybe straighten it out between us instead of going on and giving a negative review. Because again, I’m not saying that because I get a lot of negative reviews. I don’t, it’s in fact most just about every review is extremely positive five star. But you know, you get one or two bad ones and it can really drag you down. So that’s why I’m asking, please be fair and if there’s something that really bothers you or you don’t like about this message me again, I gave my email address earlier. It’s rundrdave at gmail. Uh, the doctor is abbreviated Dr. Run doctor dave I’m here for you and, and I’m really looking forward to opening up this, um, this private group on Facebook. It will be called Microdose u Um, by the time I get this published and out to you, it’s not gonna be up yet, the Facebook group that is, but I am gonna be working on it over the next few weeks and let’s get this going. Let’s get a really, really cool community going cuz I really, I, I really am interested in having you live your best life ever. Okay, Till next time, thanks so much. This is Microdose you and I am Dr. Dave.

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236 – I Told My Psychiatrist That Magic Mushrooms Fixed Me!

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Here is the transcript to today’s episode:

Dr. Dave: (00:00)
So I said to my psychiatrist, I’m fixed, I’m done. I don’t need you anymore. And then he looked at me and what he said back to me. Oh my God, I’m gonna talk about that right now. Standby. Hey, there I am Dr. Dave and welcome back to microdose you, as you know, um, on my channel here, I speak a lot about microdosing magic mushrooms, SIL assignment, because that is basically what has taken me out of this crazy, crazy funk that I had been in for many years called anxiety, depression, PTSD at a lot more so about, um, close to a year and a half ago, it’s bordering going a year and a half ago or so. Um, I was just getting so fed up with the way I was feeling. And I was in psychotherapy with my psychiatrist and it was all due to just some really crazy stuff going on, um, such as anxiety and depression and PTSD and insomnia, and just a lot more craziness.

Dr. Dave:: (01:00)
And I was going through talk therapy. Well, in my opinion, talk therapy either does not work or it’s so slow that it would take like decades and decades to really see some progress. Now I know everybody’s different and some people maybe get results from talk therapy very quickly. I’ve been in talk therapy on and off from my entire life. And other than it being kind of like a, um, a way to go in and just talk to somebody that has no, um, judgment or anything like that, it, it just, to me, it never seemed super helpful at, or it didn’t, it didn’t really help my anxiety or depression or anything like that. It just was a way to speak about it. So back about a year and a half ago, or close to it, when I said to my psychiatrist, I really believe I want to try microdosing magic mushrooms.

Dr. Dave: (01:48)
Um, I was on Lexapro at the time, which is an antidepressant of course, an SSRI. And I said, but, you know, I, I want your opinion. What do you think? And he said, absolutely. He said, I’ve got patients that use them that have had great results and it’s worth a try. That’s what he said. It’s, it’s definitely worth a try. So I did. And I started off not knowing anything at all about magic mushrooms. I just didn’t know anything about that world whatsoever. And if you wanna check back, if you wanna know more about how you can do it, if you want, this is not medical advice at all, but I did do a video. I’ve got a bunch of videos on this stuff on this channel, but I did one recently that is called the absolute beginners guide to microdosing magic mushrooms, because I’ve had so many questions from people from, from the start. Um, how do I do it? What dose do I take? Um, and, and I answer all the questions. So I just want to throw that your way in case you have any questions. So I started microdosing and after a short amount of time, I was able to get off some of my well, actually all of my blood pressure medication, my blood pressure went down totally to normal levels. It was actually starting to go too low. So that’s when I knew it was time to get off my blood pressure medication. Uh, I went

Dr. Dave: (02:58)
Off, I got off of anti-anxiety and I was still on my Lexapro, but after a period of time, I decided to start going down to a lower dose and a lower dose. Um, but recently I totally got off of my Lexapro. I’m I’m not taking any medication whatsoever now, and I’m not taking any pharmaceutical medication for my, um, things that I was going through such again, such as the, um, anxiety, depression, et cetera, about a, a very short time ago, like within a week or two ago, I went into my psychiatrist for a regular appointment and I sat down. I felt fantastic. I felt better than I have in my entire life. And I said, guess what, doctor I’m totally done. I am fixed. I feel better than I ever have in that I can remember in decades. And he looked right back at me and said, David, congratulations.

Dr. Dave:: (03:55)
I am so happy for you. He said, I was able to accomplish in several short months, which you know, was a year or so several short months, what it normally takes people decades to go through with talk therapy. But I told him, I said, I feel totally at peace. Now. I don’t have any anxiety. My depression is go. I just don’t feel it anymore. Um, a lot of the things that from I had experienced PTSD from, and no I’m not military, but it was from a, um, a really, really rough, uh, marriage, first marriage. And those feelings just melted away. The magic mushrooms reset my brain in some way. I don’t understand the exact physiology. Some people might, but it’s, again, it’s being studied a lot right now. So I don’t know if anybody has the exact answer, but all I can say is I don’t have to understand exactly how it worked.

Dr. Dave: (04:47)
I don’t, I don’t need to know exactly the physiology because I know it worked in no uncertain terms. This has been the most significant thing I’ve ever done in my life, as far as my mental health. And I only wish I would’ve known about this decades ago because I would not have had to go through some of the real hell that I went through in my life. Um, had I known about this? My, my whole life would probably be different and I’ve got no complaints about my life right now was where I am right now. I am 100% super happy and I would not want to have it any other way, but again, I had to pay dearly, um, in time in relationships, in things that I did not want to do and things that might have been really bad for me, I paid dearly there and it took quite some time to reset my brain from a lot of the trauma that I had. Um, you know, in my, in my past past life, meaning my earlier life, my younger, my younger self life. Um, so I no longer need any visits with my psychiatrist. I’m gonna go in and see him every three to six months, maybe just for a very short visit

Dr. Dave: (05:57)
To say hello, to catch up and, and let ’em know how I’m doing, but I no longer need therapy. I no longer need antidepressants. As I said, I’m off all of my blood pressure meds, which I, I imagine my blood pressure being elevated was due to anxiety. I just feel really, may I say it? I feel really good and I wouldn’t have it any other way. And again, if you’re watching this because you’re experiencing a lot of the same things, a lot of the same things that I went through, I am pretty darn confident that if you do what I did, it could really help you in a big way. Again, if you’re not sure how to do it, just go back and watch the video called an absolute beginners guide to microdosing magic com mushrooms. It should answer almost anything. Or a lot of the videos I have on this channel should answer a lot of your questions. Um, I wanna share that with you. I thought it was really important at a very, very significant time in my life until next time I am Dr. Dave, and this is Microdose U. You see you later.

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235 – I Did Transcendental Meditation Twice a Day For One Month

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Dr. Dave: (00:00)
I have been doing transcendental meditation twice a day for 20 minutes at a time for one full month. And I’m gonna share with you exactly the changes that I have seen in my body and in my mind and in my life before I do. I just want to welcome you to microdose you. I am Dr. Dave, and on this channel I share with you, um, how microdosing magic mushrooms psilocybin has totally, totally changed my life for the better. So let’s get into the program today. I, yes, I have been, uh, doing TM, doing trans Atal meditation for exactly one month, twice a day, 20 minutes at a time. And I will tell you this, that I have found out that transcendental meditation and TM are both trademarked or copyright terms. And I am not really allowed to use them, but I will share with you, I am not associated with the organization in any way.

Dr. Dave: (00:54)
I’m not a certified instructor. I’ve never taken the instruction from them. I’ve done it from my research and I learned how to do it on my own, which I will share with you. But since I’m not allowed to call it transcendental meditation, let’s call it. I don’t know. Let’s call it just for the sake of today’s show. We’ll call it microdosing meditation. I don’t know if that’s good or bad, but since I’m not allowed to call it TM or transcendental meditation, um, if I’m talking about it or giving instructions on it, we’ll call it microdosing meditation for today. So, um, what have I noticed after one month? And I’m, by the way, I’m still going to continue to do it, but after one month, I think that’s a pretty safe time to share with you the changes I’ve noticed in my body and in my life.

Dr. Dave: (01:36)
And in my mind, I have been extremely calm and my sleep has been really, really good. And not only that, it seems to me like I need less sleep. I just got back from a one week road trip and on the road trip, it was a little bit more difficult since I was doing a lot of things with friends and family and activities. It was a little bit more difficult to get the amount of sleep I normally get, but even getting less sleep, I felt totally rejuvenated and really, really good and awake, um, each day with less sleep. So again, I’ll get into whether I think this was an effective TM or a result or a product of the TM or otherwise. And I’ll share that with you too. I can think super clearly, I’ve been at total 100% peace with myself. I feel like I’ve been more forgiving of other people, more understanding, and the list goes on and on, but those are kind of the main things that I have noticed since I’ve been doing the, uh, transcendental me. Oh, not transcend, I mean, re dosing meditation twice a day for 20 minutes at a time. And again, I’m going to show share with you. It’ll take me just a few minutes. Exactly, exactly how I do it every single day from start to finish. But, um, something I am not sure of. And that is

Dr. Dave: (02:58)
Since I’ve been microdosing, these are the same changes that I’ve noticed with my microdosing. So almost exactly the same. So I can’t really be sure that either the transcendental Medi the microdosing meditation the microdosing meditation has made it better, or whether it’s just a, a, a factor that I’ve been microdosing longer and I’m going through these changes anyway, I’m not positive. Um, but I, from what I’ve heard from what I’ve read, the, um, changes that we notice from microdosing magic mushrooms and from microdosing meditation, um, they’re very, very similar. So I will say for, for those of you that are a little bit reluctant, not sure about microdosing, you’re a little bit worried about using something that is in some areas, not legal, um, doing the microdosing meditation might be a safe and viable alternative for you. So let me share with you exactly how I do it now.

Dr. Dave: (04:06)
Again, I am not a transcendental meditation instructor. I’m not associated with the organization. I’ve never taken one of their courses. So I’ve gathered this just from years of, you know, I look, I grew up in the sixties and seventies, so I knew about TM back then. So I’m taking this from my years and years of hearing about it. Uh, hearing people talk about it, researching, et cetera, here is what I do every single day, twice a day. So I find my so first, the first thing I did was I selected a mantra. A mantra is a word or a sound that, um, you say repeatedly during your meditation, it can be anything, but here’s what I recommend. I recommend that it be two syllables or two words kind of put together, um, because I use the, my mantra in conjunction with my breathing in and out.

Dr. Dave: (04:59)
So when I breathe in during the meditation, I will say to myself, the first word or the first syllable of my mantra, and then as I breathe out and it’s all done through my nose, I will say the second and I will repeat it. So don’t worry. I’ll get, I’ll get back into that a second. So, um, I suggest that you choose a mantra. It could be a word, it could be a word from another language. It could be a made up word. The only thing I’m going to ask you is that it’s not a word that has meaning to you. And the reason for that is let’s say, for example, you, um, use the word pencil as a mantra, as you’re meditating, as you’re saying pencil to yourself for 20 minutes at a time nonstop as you’re breathing, you’re gonna have, at some point, you’re gonna have a, a vision of a pencil. You, it it’s look it’s impossible not to. So you’re gonna be thinking, you’re gonna be saying the word

Dr. Dave: (05:56)
Pencil, but you’ll be thinking about a pencil. That’s why it’s better to have a word that has no real meaning to you. A very common mantra is just simply the Sanskrit phrase, sat Nam. I mean, most people don’t speak San Sanskrit, so they don’t really know what that means if it has a meaning. So if you say soft, no, um, as, and again, that is a possible and very common mantra. Um, also you could pick something that you just make up and it sounds good to you and it resonates with you. I, I don’t think there’s any right or wrong, although in the organization I’ve referred to a little while ago, I think they make a really big deal and have a big ceremony about being assigned a mantra to me. I don’t think that’s that big of a deal. It has to be something that resonates with you that you can remember that you like, that feels good.

Dr. Dave: (06:49)
And I think that’s really about it, but again, make sure it’s something that you, that does not have a true meaning to you in the spirit of microdosing meditation. I do not share my mantra and I would recommend you do not share yours. Keep it very personal. If somebody asks you what yours is, just say, this is very personal to me and I don’t share it. So what I do is I pick a comfortable location, oftentimes on the sofa over there or wherever I could be. And I just sit down, get in a comfortable position. I set my timer to 20 minutes and I normally do not play any music. I just listen to ambient sounds around, but, um, uh, I don’t really play any, any different type of music or anything like that during my meditation. And for 20 minutes, all I do is try my best to clear my mind, but it’s all it’s automatically done when you repeat your mantra.

Dr. Dave: (07:43)
So I will take a deep breath in, not too deep, but I’ll take a breath in, and I’ll say the first part of my mantra, and let’s, let’s use the word pencil, cuz that’s not a good mantra, but I’m using that example. So as I breathe in, I’ll think to myself, pen and breathing out soul pen soul, and I’ll just keep reading in. And again, that’s not my mantra and I do not recommend that as a mantra, but that’s just an example how to do that. Then you just keep doing that and you don’t have to think about it. You don’t have to, like you don’t have to intentionally try to clear your mind because that’s the purpose of the mantra. The mantra does that for you. When you keep repeating something over and over and over, along with breathing, it’s gonna do the work for you.

Dr. Dave: (08:30)
You can even be somebody that does not believe it’s going to work. You can be skeptical. It doesn’t really matter because if you perform this microdosing meditation, as I explained, it will work for you. Then when your timer goes off at 20 minutes, that’s the end, the best times to do it are in the morning. When you wake up in the morning before you really start with your morning activities and in the evening, well, before you go to bed, probably, maybe right after dinner, before you start your evening activities, but there’s no, again, there’s no real right or no wrong, but you do need to do it twice per day, 20 minutes at a time, morning and evening are the best times to do it. You can do it if you’re a passenger in a car, um, don’t do it while you’re driving, but you can do it in situations where, um, as long as you can find a comfortable place to be and have reasonable, quiet, you know, you don’t want to do it in a construction zone.

Dr. Dave: (09:25)
Um, it, or you don’t wanna do it when somebody’s using leaf blowers or it’s super, super loud. That’s probably not gonna be conducive, but as long as reasonably quiet, um, and you can maintain that 20 minutes of breathing and saying your mantra. That’s what microdosing meditation is. I urge you to try it. Um, don’t just try it one time. Don’t just try it for a few days. Try it for at least a month, at least a month. They say it even could take a lot longer to see really, really great results. Um, I’m pretty certain it’s gonna help you quite a bit. It can lower blood pressure. It can absolutely decrease anxiety, but you have to do it in order for it to work. It’s a great adjunct to, um, microdosing magic mushrooms. It absolutely is. I think the two of them go really, really, really well together. Okay. I hope this helps you again. Thanks so much for being here with micro Rudo. You we’ll have more classes in the future. If you have not subscribed yet, make sure you click that subscribe button and enable notifications. I got a lot more stuff coming, coming at you. Talk to you soon, Dr. Dave.

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234 – I Saw a White Outline Visual on My Instructor While Microdosing Mushrooms

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Dr. Dave: (00:00)
Hey there, Dr. Dave here, Microdose U, how are you today? I saw a really, , pretty cool, I would say visual effect that I’ve never seen before while I was just microdosing microdosing magic mushrooms. , so to start off, I will tell you I was taking, I, I took a, I would go into a class today. , my wife and I were going to a, , meditation slash sound bath class, where it was gonna be about two hours, the woman that was running, it was gonna be doing a little lecture first. And then we were gonna do some, , meditation, then a sound bath, and then some discussions. So it was gonna be about two hours and we’re sitting there in the class and I had taken a little nibble off of a, , chocolate I had at home. It was, , made by a friend of mine and it contained, , albino, penis envy.

Dr. Dave: (00:51)
And the, the entire chocolate say it was about, I don’t know about that big, but I took like just before class, just like a little nibble, like a tiny, tiny, Def, definitely a microdosed for sure. But I will tell you this, whenever I’ve taken albino penis envy in the past, it has always had like a, like a wow effect, even a tiny bit, this effect that I’ve never felt with any other, any of the regular strains, like golden teachers or any of the, you know, the normal things we usually microdose with. And it’s like, it’s like, wow. So you’re even just a little bit. So, , I did that, didn’t think much of it and we’re sitting in class and it’s, it’s the beginning of it. It’s kind of like the lecture part. And I’m looking at the woman who’s leading the class and I’m starting to see this.

Dr. Dave: (01:36)
, how can I describe it the best way I can describe it is really, , kind of like a white shadow outline, like a white outline, a thick white outline around her, around everywhere. Her, it appeared to be behind her. So wherever she would move, this outline would just move with her. And it was really, it wasn’t scary at all. It was, , it was actually really comforting, pleasing, , interesting. And it didn’t, , disturb me in any way and it didn’t, it didn’t take away from the lecture. It just, I recognized it. I knew that I had taken the nibble of the albino penis, envy mushroom chocolate before the class. So I knew what was going on, but it was really strange and it wasn’t always there. I had to be looking at her like, if I can explain this, and again, it’s, it’s kind of hard to explain, but I had to be looking at her like in a certain way. I think if I would just look regular regularly at her straight on head on, , I wouldn’t see it, but if I would like move my eyes or move my head in a certain way, it was like very vivid, very clear to the point where like, it would, I was wondering if anybody else was seeing this white outline around her, but then I realized, no, they probably weren’t. It was probably just me cuz I’m the only one that probably had the nibble of the albino penis and the mushroom.

Dr. Dave: (02:55)
, the class was really

Dr. Dave: (03:00)
Nice. I would say, I think once we did the sound bath, which was kind of, she’s playing these different, , ceramic singing bowls, , that are in tune to all of the chakras and real pleasant. I got a, I felt, I think I got a lot out of the class today. , I forgot to bring my journal then normally at the end of the class, I would start, I would journal, I would write some things in the journal, but I totally forgot my journal today. So, but that’s okay. But I just wanted to share that really interesting experience mainly with the, , very, very, very vivid white outline. I’m wondering whether any of you have ever seen anything like that. , there were no other like apparent visuals when I closed my eyes during the sound bath part during the meditation, I just had some closed eye visuals for sure.

Dr. Dave: (03:48)
But there were no, no real apparent, , open eye visuals except for the very vivid white, thick, white outline. And if I could explain again what it would just picture me a picture like this white figure, like almost like a ghostlike figure behind me. And you could only see the outline of it because I’m blocking it. So picture that. And then as I move, it’s moving with me almost like a shadow that surrounds me, but, but it’s white, it’s clearly white. That might be the best way to describe it. Like, like a clear white shadow behind her, , outlining her super interesting. I really look forward to experiencing something like this again and again, I’m just, , there’s really no lesson to this show today to this, , episode today that other than I wanted to share with you and find out if any of you have ever seen anything like it.

Dr. Dave: (04:43)
I tried to do a little bit of research online. I didn’t know exactly what to search for and , it, I didn’t really find anything about this, about this white shadow, , or white outline. So if, if any of you have experienced anything like this, I I’d love to hear about it. I don’t want, I, I, I, I really highly doubt. I’m the only one that’s experienced anything like this. So share with me comment below. , that’s all I have to say to you today. , appreciate you. And if you haven’t subscribed yet, who are you waiting for? This microdose? You, you have to subscribe. I’m Dr. Dave, none of this is medical advice, of course. And I look forward to seeing you really, really soon kisses.


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233 – Look in the Mirror

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Dr. Dave: (00:00)
Hey there. When you look in the mirror, what do you see? Hey, I’m Dr. Dave from microdose. U do you see somebody that’s too fat, too thin? Not beautiful enough, not handsome enough, looking too old, looking too ragged, looking like you’re not good enough to fit in. What do you see? I’m curious because I’ve been through times when I looked in the mirror myself and I did not like what I saw at all, what I saw in the mirror was actually a reflection of how I felt about myself. And a lot of times it was not, it was not good at all. The mirror doesn’t lie, but sometimes it does. You see, even though on the outside, I probably look good to most people out there. The way I saw myself just was not living up to my expectations. And no, it didn’t take any type of color in my hair or plastic surgery or anything like that.

Dr. Dave: (01:02)
Like, what do you call it? Like eye lifts or I don’t even know what you call this stuff. Botox wouldn’t take any of that. I, it, it finally got to the point where I had to feel good about myself, to look in the mirror and really be in love with that person that I saw reflecting back at me, microdosing magic mushrooms is a good therapy. It absolutely works. It turned my life around, but you have to work with them. Also as your brain starts to become rewired, you will start to enjoy looking at that person in the mirror that maybe in the past, you have not enjoyed, not enjoying looking at that person in the mirror will cause anxiety. It possibly could cause depression. It could cause all kind of things that you just don’t wanna feel and don’t want to feel about yourself. It will.

Dr. Dave: (01:56)
So that’s one of the reasons I started microdosing and magic mushrooms because I did not like who I was. I didn’t like the way I was feeling every day. The mushrooms have totally reversed that, but I still look in the mirror. And sometimes even to this day, sometimes I still feel that I’m too old looking or my face is too fat or whatever it might be. I’m really working on that. And it’s a work in progress and it does. I wanna share with you, it does not happen overnight. You will not get results overnight. You have to keep working with it and put the work into it as well. Not only in the magic mushrooms, but put the work into other things like journaling and meditation, which I’ve talked about some in previous videos and we’ll continue to talk about it in future videos. So if you’ve not subscribed yet, make sure you hit that little button there. Speaking of the mirror, I remember back, this goes back probably 30 years or so that I used to when I was practicing dentistry and seeing patients and I had a mirror in

Dr. Dave: (02:58)
My, my treatment room. And while I was working on patients, I was able to somehow fixate on this mirror. And in the mirror, I saw a person who was me, who was not enjoying his life, not enjoying what he was doing as a profession, not even enjoying who he was with all the time. I saw a person that I knew could improve, but did not know how to improve. And that’s why I paid the dear price of 30 plus years. Several decades of not living the life. That was true to me, no matter what the mirror told me and continuing, without trying to make any changes, it got to the point where I became sick and feeling horrible every day to it got to that point that I knew I had to do something or I would not live much longer. So I’m going to ask you to do this exercise, do it today, do it right now.

Dr. Dave: (03:51)
As soon as this video was over, look at your yourself in the mirror. What do you see? Please be honest, be honest with yourself. You don’t have to tell me what you see. Be honest with yourself. Do you see somebody that you are in love with? And I don’t mean being ego maniac or be narcissistic or anything like that. I mean, do you truly love yourself? Loving yourself is the first step to having a great life and feeling good every single day. If you don’t love yourself, you’re not gonna love your life. I promise you. So what do you see in the mirror? Do you see somebody that looks good? No matter, no matter how fat or skinny or old or how discolor your teeth may be or whatever you might have. If you’ve got pimples on your face or disfigure, what, whatever it is that doesn’t matter at all, you are a han being.

Dr. Dave: (04:44)
You are, you you’re alive. You’re breathing. You’re living your life. No matter what the mirror is showing you inside, feel good about yourself. Because then when you look in the mirror, you will see a beautiful human being. I promise you, this is true. Again, magic mushrooms will help get you there, but you have to start feeling good about yourself. Once your brain starts the rewiring process, it will work. I promise you. It worked for me. And if it worked for me, I was pretty far gone. It will work for you. So I hope this helps you short and sweet today. I love you. I’m sending you love to wherever you are on this planet. I’m Dr. Dave. I’m here at microdose university in a hotel room in Seattle visiting my family. I’ll talk to you soon.