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Speaker 1: (00:01)
I’m just gonna start talking. So, um, about oh five, six hours ago I took, um, 0.25 grams of, um, magic mushrooms 0.25. So that’s, uh, 250 milligrams and it didn’t go exactly the way I wanted it to. By the way, welcome to Microdose U Dr. Dave. Um, it, I’ve been talking about microdosing on this channel for quite some time. I’m not sure how long, but I’ve been microdosing for about a year and a half. My experience has been really, really good. Basically, microdosing has, um, allowed me to totally get off antidepressants, um, blood pressure meds, um, benzo Daze, any, pretty much anything I was taking. Um, I’m off of. I don’t, I don’t take any, I don’t take any medication, any pharma, pharmacological, pharmaceutical. I don’t take anything. Um, and I’ve been talking to you all about microdosing for quite some time, but the experience I had this evening was not one that I really would wish on you or want you to have. And I feel, I feel kind of guilty too, because one of the last episodes I was sharing this, um, stack that I kind of invented. I don’t, I probably didn’t invent it, but, but when I went ahead and took some, um, C B D, which is, you know, sold over the counter, um, and some, um,

Speaker 1: (01:56)
Lion’s, main mushroom, which is also sold over the counter on Amazon, wherever you want it, along with a microdose of magic mushrooms and microdose was 250 milligrams, which is 0.25 grams. I, I told you last time that this, the combination of the 0.25 grams, which is not really, you’re not really supposed to feel it with the CBD D and the Lions main just kind of sent me somewhere and it was actually quite pleasant, really pleasant. Um, I did it again last week and it was great. Again. It, it really worked. I mean, it, it’s, it feels like, it feels like much more than any microdose with a microdose, if that makes sense. But tonight, um, I, I felt weird. I have to admit, I felt it was something that I didn’t really embrace and was just looking forward to end. And I start having these weird feelings, like, here I am, am I a fraud? I’m helping people all over the world with microdosing, and here I put this episode out about this stack, and you can, you anybody can do it and it’s gonna be great, but it didn’t turn out great tonight. And I started having these weird feelings within myself also. Like, okay, when’s this going to end? Uh, it’s a little bit weird. When’s it gonna end? And, and

Speaker 1: (03:34)
Not only that, but anybody that listened to the podcast or watch the video or however you get your information from me, um, if they try this, and I make it very clear that this, nothing I say here is, is medical advice. I make it very clear. But still that doesn’t make me feel good that if somebody went ahead and took some magic mushrooms along with C b D, could this do the same thing to them? Could this send them into the, into space and, and not, not not super pleasant in, in, um, and I started feeling guilty. I started feeling that I shouldn’t be doing this. I shouldn’t have this channel. I’m a fraud. I’m telling people the wrong thing. I should just go away. But then I thought, no, that’s not right. There’s no guarantee that every single experience, even microdosing, there’s no guarantee that every single experience is going to be incredibly positive. Um, this microdosing has allowed me to changed my whole life. Like the way I think, the way I feel every day, the way I see other people, the way I see the universe, it’s, it’s totally changed my life. And one weird bad one,

Speaker 1: (05:02)
It wasn’t a bad, I can’t say it was not a bad trip. There’s probably no such thing as a bad trip. You always learn something from it. But I just, it was just, it was just like a little bit uncomfortable and I just wanted it to stop. And I, I just knew that, you know, what I’ve learned on my own and what I’ve heard from others is, you know, you just realized that, okay, it’s something I ingested. It’s going to eventually go away, which it did, and learn from the experience, which I did. Um, what did I learn? I’m when I learned that I’m helping a shitload of people all over the world. And if you have a bad experience now and then, or something that you perceive to be a bad experience, learn from it.

Speaker 1: (05:50)
Learn from it. I get emails and comments on my videos every day, multiple, multiple, multiple, multiple every day. Sometimes I can respond right away. Other times it takes me days or weeks, week plus, or weeks just depending. But I do respond. I try my best. I try my best to respond to everything because you are super important to me. I’m not doing any of this for any kind of monetary reward. I, I’d be starving if I were. Um, I’m doing it really to help people that were in, that are in the same situation that I was in a year and a half ago, desperate talk therapy, not working on Lexapro or, you know, some other fill in the blank, whatever type of SSRI or antidepressant or anti-anxiety or whatever on that. Um, not being able to live life to its fullest because you don’t even know how you’re gonna feel every day.

Speaker 1: (06:57)
I’m helping these people all over the world. So if I share something that ultimately turns out to not work for me the way I thought it would, am I a failure? Do I need to quit? No. This is a learning process, guys and gals. I’m new at this. I mean, relatively speaking. I mean, a year and a half outta my life, a year and a half, a year and a half outta my life, learning what this miracle plant medicine can do. And that’s why I’m very clear, like if I recommend something, be careful. Everybody’s different. Everybody reacts differently to things. And, um, that’s why if you haven’t seen my video, the Absolute Beginners Guide to Microdosing Magic Mushrooms, please watch that again. I get so many questions every single day that that video answers. How do I do it? How do I, how much do I do?

Speaker 1: (07:58)
How much do I ingest? How often? Again, it’s not medical advice. Everybody’s different, but it’s a really good guide and if you listen to me in general, things are gonna be good. But I just let I learn tonight that there’s not a hundred percent guarantee even with what I do. There’s just not a hundred percent guarantee. So I wanna share it with you guys. Um, I’m not gonna edit any of this if there are long pauses. It’s totally, totally the way I feel right now. Um, about five, about five hours after doing 0.25 Graham, which is again, is a, is a microdose. It is a small dose, it’s a tiny dose. But combined with the, um, CBD that I did earlier today combined with that, I find that it really just potentiates it like crazy. Okay? I’ll read every single comment in the comment section. I’ll do my best to answer what you have to ask me or say or whatever Michael does. You, Dr. Dave, talk to you soon.

Speaker 2: (09:17)
Hey, it’s Dr. Dave coming back to you after the show. I really appreciate you being here. And if you could just do me one little favor before you go, it’ll take you about 30 seconds of your time. Go onto your podcast platform and give us a rating and a review. Um, it takes just a little bit of your time and it really, really will help the show immensely. I’m trying to get the word out to people all over the world because so many people are struggling and they need help and this is the way they’re gonna find out about us. So take a little bit of your time, do it for us. I really appreciate you. Thanks so much.

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Here is the transcript to today’s episode:

Speaker 1: (00:00)
Anyway, Tennyson, thanks. Thanks so much for being with me here. This is, this is, I feel honored to have you here talking to you. How are you today?

Speaker 2: (00:09)
I’m doing really good. Thank you. And I so appreciate your invitation. I, uh, for the last six months or so have kind of been in hermit mode, so it feels really good to come out and be able to talk about everything, especially in relation to what I’m doing. Um, and I assume, you know, some of the subjects we’ll get into today. So feeling good. I’m, I’m walking. It’s sunny. Uh, couldn’t be a better situation, really.

Speaker 1: (00:38)
So it, it was, it was really cool meeting you, like the way we did the other day, a couple weekends ago. It was super cool. And I remember you, um, your story is like, if I may say amazing, it was, uh, wait, you’re, you’re, you’re at a park right now. Where are you?

Speaker 2: (00:55)
So, I’m at, I’m actually at the park across the street from Liberty.

Speaker 1: (01:00)
Oh,

Speaker 2: (01:01)
I, I realized I might get a little winded, if I tried to talk and walk at the same time. So

Speaker 1: (01:09)
Wait a minute. Wait, you’re, you’re at the park across the street from Liberty Park, kind of right? Where, yeah. Wait, where do you, where do you live exactly? Hold on.

Speaker 2: (01:18)
So here’s 900 East, I think. Okay. Or eight eight East. Um, so I’m on like eight 50 east, just a block that way. Um, in between eighth and ninth course,

Speaker 1: (01:30)
Tenon, tenon, I’m, I’m right around the corner from you. We could have done this, we could have done this live. You could have come to my house. Oh my, I can’t how close we are. I knew we live, I knew we both live in Salt Lake City, but we are literally like blocks away from each other as we speak right now. I could probably look out my window and wave to you

Speaker 2: (01:48)
. So, you know, you know Harrison Avenue then, right? That’s, that’s the street I’m on . Exactly. Oh my God.

Speaker 1: (01:55)
Okay. So when I was talking to you the other day, you, I came to, you had a little stand going and I was amazed cause I saw something about mushrooms and you, it seems like you own a mushroom company to say it, like probably the easiest, the simplest possible way, but, um mm-hmm. , I want to hear a little bit about that. And I want to hear about your story, cuz I know you’ve got, I know you’ve got a story that got you to where you are now, and I want, I want to hear about that.

Speaker 2: (02:23)
Okay. Yeah. So the company’s name is actually, so magic Mou MOU is Chinese for mushroom. So, uh, there’s a little bit of an attempt to incept into the mainstream, the idea of magic mushrooms. And of course that extends far beyond psilocybin, though I’m also, um, a huge proponent of psilocybin being something that is, uh, loved and respected and honored and not seem to be any different from anything else that people commonly use to enhance their wellbeing and ability to enjoy life. And so, of course, that’s also a big piece of my story. Um, I, I would say almost 6, 5, 6 years ago now, I, um, was in the, the dark depths of depression. I had been diagnosed with severe depression and ptsd. Um, and it had really been something that kind of snuck under the surface as this undercurrent that I can very clearly see now painted most of my life.

Speaker 2: (03:42)
And in a funny way, the lack of awareness of it, um, both made life easier in that I didn’t identify with this idea of being a certain way. But because there was also this underlying condition that I wasn’t dealing with, um, it, it still dragged me down. And the way the, uh, therapist I worked with briefly described it, which resonated with me, was that I was drowning. Um, and yet no one else could see that or understand how it was happening to me because we were both there together. And for some reason I was suffocating on myself. So, um, then it got worse and better when I was diagnosed because then I identified with my idea of what it meant to have those things going on. And for whatever reason, I, um, had dramatic reactions to professional treatment in the sense that I didn’t trust that they could work. And I, uh, I stopped taking the medication I was given after about a week. I never ended up going to my therapy sessions, um, after the initial diagnosis. Um, and I kind of just walled in it for about a year.

Speaker 1: (05:09)
Before you get into like, kind of like the next part, I, I wanna know because, um, your, your story sounds very, very similar to mine. I’m just a little bit older than you, but probably sounds really, really familiar. But, um, I wanna know from you, um, tell me a little bit about your depression and, and also if you’re able to talk about your ptsd, like, I’d, I’d like to know like where it came from or where you feel it came from, like a little bit more about the background with that before we move on.

Speaker 2: (05:37)
Okay. Yeah. Um, it, you know, it, it, it’s almost tough to say because I recognize that a large portion of it was inherited. Um, there’s so much that we are now learning, especially in the last five years about epigenetic memory and the, uh, you know, the personality traits that we inherit, um, from our ancestry. And we can identify it going back as much as seven generations. And I believe it goes back much further. Um, and, you know, much of those personality traits are trauma based. And so I think a lot of it actually was rooted in that they were, it was almost like a, uh, I had the potential to express all of these traumatic, uh, conditioning traits that exist in my family line, which you could also call are a history of mental illness and a history of X, y, Z. So there was that, and then I had this unbelievably charmed childhood, um, until I was about 22, um, which was maybe slightly thrown off with this, um, impending sense of, this is too easy, this is too good, something’s gotta happen.

Speaker 2: (06:58)
Um, and then it did, oh, there’s a dog walking over. Um, which was, um, I, I won’t go into detail, but basically I went from this very charmed position. Um, I had a very secure religious worldview. Um, and I felt very confident in it because of the people that I depended on to, uh, kind of outsource that sense of competence to really, and so there was this moment when everything, because of certain events that had happened and really coincided with my own beginning to investigate life from a more authentic perspective that kind of caused that old worldview to, um, fall apart. Uh, I guess for a little more context it was the, the Mormon worldview. And so, um, I had discarded that. And then within a month of that happening, um, some certain events happened in my family and, uh, we kind of lost everything really, to put it bluntly. And so you

Speaker 1: (08:03)
Mean when you, when you say you lost everything, do you, are you saying that your, you and your family lost whatever you had income,

Speaker 2: (08:11)
Money, that thing? Yeah. Bankruptcy. Oh, I, I dropped outta school. Um, yeah, there, my parents separated, uh, and there were, there were a variety of different, you could say, uh, what in my experience felt like certain types of betrayals that were, um, pretty, uh, heavy. And so it all just happened at once. It, it almost felt like this, you know, it was that thing of that sense of impending zoom and bam, there all was where any misfortune I could have had in my childhood, it all seemed to happen within a span of a couple of months. And so, so with that triggered all of my unhealthy coping tendencies. And, um, and so it was this kind of three year period where I just, I didn’t know how to deal with life outside of the framework I had been given and was a very soft, uh, framework, and I, I didn’t have to depend on myself much. Um, and so it was just, it was just tough. I had to do a lot of growing up, um, very quickly. And I didn’t have the support network that I had sort of integrated into my entire life, which was the, you know, kind of local religious Utah community. Um, and so, uh, that, that’s the background that, uh, sort of prelude this, um, PTSD and depression.

Speaker 1: (09:49)
Okay. Well thanks for sharing. Cause I know sometimes that’s things like that are difficult to share. And, um, I, I appreciate you sharing even that much.

Speaker 2: (09:57)
So everything, it was cool. Everything sort of just had a, just as quick of a transition out of those depths. Um, the first time I tried a hallucinogen, which was lsd, and then a few weeks later, magic mushrooms. Um, and it was so cool because the LSD experience, um, it was, there was nothing crazy that happened or, you know, not, not, um, an intense hallucination experience, but I saw very clearly and, and literally that everything was connected. Um, I could see the seamlessness of it visually, and it, and could feel it in my sense of meaning or intuition or it just, I just knew, right? And then as I came out of the, uh, trip, the first thought that came to my mind was, I’m not depressed. That’s something that was doing. I don’t have ptsd. Um, that’s something I was doing, and now I can do whatever I want because, and I now recognize it’s because I had enough, been able to disassociate from those identities and be exposed to another possibility that was totally undeniable of what I could do, where I could go the way life was, that my sense of support, um, sort of blossomed inside of me, you could say.

Speaker 2: (11:26)
And so I didn’t have to outsource it. I didn’t have to cope with the, the assumption or perception that I didn’t have that. And, um, and then a few weeks later I tried the magic mushrooms. And I, it’s funny, I actually don’t remember what happened at all in that trip. Uh, but I know that there was,

Speaker 1: (11:46)
Well, let’s, let’s back up for a second. How, um, roughly how much did you take?

Speaker 2: (11:52)
I did half a tab to start.

Speaker 1: (11:54)
Oh, that’s the lsd. The lsd.

Speaker 2: (11:56)
Oh yeah, the lsd, the mushrooms. I don’t know, I, it was funny. I was, um, a, a hippie driving through Utah in their van with their friends, gave them to me, um, . So, so

Speaker 1: (12:09)
Did you know anything about mushrooms before that? Or did you just, you took them from a hippie and just downed a whole bunch and you didn’t know how many

Speaker 2: (12:17)
I had spent years researching, um, both mushrooms and lsd. I was very nervous about ’em leading up until when I made the decision. Uh, I’m, I’m very much a, a, a research oriented person and will exhaust the available information on something most of the time before I move forward into it. Um, and so I tried, you know, I did that with both mushrooms and lsd, and I guess those two things were all the research I needed to, from that point forward to, uh, feel confident in exploring psychedelia and other areas of kind of the more mystical facet of life after that.

Speaker 1: (13:00)
So tell me a little bit more about your, about your mushroom trip, and then, and tell me about the trip itself, and then what happened after that. Like, what did you, what did you realize and how did, how did you, how did it change your life?

Speaker 2: (13:14)
Okay. So I would say that, um, in contrast to lsd, which is very cognition based, very intellectual, I think mechanically LSD is turning on, um, neural connectivity and mushrooms are turning them down. And so you get to the same place, but kind of from a different direction, if that makes any sense. And with the mushrooms, it was, um, around midnight that I took them. It was in dark, I had no music. Um, it was probably two grams, two to three grams. Um, and I, I wanna say I just ate them. And so the experience was deeply emotional. And again, um, the way I look at it is when you take psilocybin and it, and it, um, diminishes your mental activity, especially your egoic perceptual filters that have developed over a lifetime, um, the parts of you that have been, uh, suppressed by those filters for one reason or another, those parts are able to sort of bubble back up.

Speaker 2: (14:25)
And then it happens under a blissful context because you’ve got this sense of euphoria that the psilocybin creates by mimicking in a way, serotonin, if I’m getting it right. These are, this is how I remember the science. And so you’re able to view the parts of yourself that you unconsciously are the most afraid to express under a deeply loving and generally blissful and meaningful context. And that’s what I experienced. It was very much like a, a mother, uh, experience and reconnecting to life itself, um, and feeling an, a grand sense of empathy and appreciation and, um, really true love, love non-transactional love, which I think is an important distinction for all life, um, especially my relationships. Um, so that’s all I really remember of how it was. And then, you know, I came out and there was that, that glow, um, that I carried with me. And then ever since then, it, I just have that experience as a reference point to know where to go and how to be and kind of grow into.

Speaker 1: (15:44)
So what were you doing as far as work? Um, before, before you got into the lsd, before you got into the mushrooms, what was your, what was your job?

Speaker 2: (15:54)
Well, I was, uh, really, I was failing at work. I was getting into entry level positions and dropping out within a month almost every single time. I think I had gone through four different positions, um, in that year between the diagnosis and the LSD trip. But then within the month after the LSD trip, I had, uh, begun working as an intern and entrepreneur in residence at a EC firm. Um, uh, you know, and it just, it was so unbelievable how it unlocked my ability to move towards my potential and take these big risks for what felt like big risks and worked there. And I started a YouTube channel. I started devouring information on how to become a business owner.

Speaker 1: (16:46)
Wait back, let’s, um, hold back up. Um, what’s your YouTube channel? Maybe I didn’t even, I’m not even sure I knew about that. , let’s, let’s hear about that. Oh,

Speaker 2: (16:54)
I, it was, so originally the idea was I was going to go completely broke, which is what I was at the time, uh, and reach the point of financial independence where I could choose to retire if I wanted to within a year. So I’ve since deleted it. Uh, well, I’ve archived everything because it was kind of embarrassing . And, uh, the irony is, I, I did it, it worked within a year, I had moved to the Caribbean, um, and was working once a week as an extra in films and living out my fantasy of a retired life. Um, and it was funny because I’d given up on the whole project, I’d left the VC firm. I had abandoned the company I started, um, which was an augmented reality company, uh, because I realized within six months of that, that they were so out of, of sync with what felt authentic and joyous to me that it wasn’t right. And so then I went headlong into just, let’s just retire right now without the money and see what happens. And, um,

Speaker 1: (18:01)
So how can you, so how, tell me how you can retire without money though. I’m just, um, I’m, I’m cur curious about that one.

Speaker 2: (18:08)
Well, I don’t think you can. I, I think I, uh, , I w i I had a lot of luck. Um, I was able to sell enough stuff and get a credit card to survive in the Caribbean at a hostile or sleeping on the beach. My food budget was $30 a week. Um, and my entertainment was, uh, drawing and, uh, the occasional, the occasional joint that somebody would give me an exchange for having a lighter, um, on the beach. And so it was a, you know, you gotta be young and available to a, a pretty fortunate flow of, uh, people helping you out . Um, but I was able to make enough money acting to survive, um, but not in a way that was fulfilling. And I realized that pretty quickly. And so my retirement ended within about four months. Uh, and I came back to Utah .

Speaker 1: (19:13)
Okay. And then you got back to Utah. And then what, what did you do?

Speaker 2: (19:18)
So when I came back, it was, um, with this new sense of ambition and restlessness, I guess I kind of realized that my idea of retirement was something I had developed out of ignorance. And I actually did want to work and, um, apply myself in ways that were uncomfortable but valuable. And so I moved in with my mom. I had almost no money. I got a, another entry level position. I worked at it until I could get a position as a remote marketer for a company. Um, and I did that until I started Magic Mo, actually.

Speaker 1: (20:00)
Okay. Now that’s a good segue into magic. Mo you, you had this, I guess idea, um, maybe you love mushrooms. I’m guessing that it’s the case and I don’t think magic Mo is, um, is doing anything with psilocybin that I know of, cuz I know in Utah here, we, we really can’t do that legally. So tell me how you got into this and what it is exactly and how you built it, and a little bit more about that.

Speaker 2: (20:25)
Mm-hmm. , so we’re not doing anything with psilocybin yet. Um, there is a very clear path to that once the, um, legalization comes through. But when I, so I would describe the last 10 years of my life as the succession of reaching the point of whatever I had fantasized my life needed to be in order to feel happy and then be done searching. And I would reach that point and become disillusioned with it. Um, which was a huge blessing because it opened me up to something better. And then that would fall through as the thing. Um, and so this job with being a remote marketer, I thought that was the thing. I’d have remote work, I’d have the income I wanted. I was working with people I cared about in a company that was meaningful. And when it fell through, it was because I’m not meant to be a marketer.

Speaker 2: (21:21)
I don’t like it. I thought I did because I thought it would be easy, really. Um, and so it was actually pretty devastating when I and my employer both came to this conclusion. And it was difficult for me to hear him say, you, you need to do something that’s right for you. And I felt frustrated by that because it was such a mystery and it, it felt scary to, um, set out on my own in that way and not operate within an organization that somebody else had built, which also meant that they were taking on all the risks of trying something new. Um, so I was in a difficult period after leaving that job where I felt lost, but I also knew that I couldn’t depend on anything outside of my own intuition you could say. So I actually , I decided to fast and my idea was I wouldn’t eat until it came to me what the right thing was to do. Um, ,

Speaker 1: (22:28)
Was this a, um, what type of fast was it? Was it a water? Like you could drink water, I guess,

Speaker 2: (22:33)
Right? Only water. Only

Speaker 1: (22:34)
Water, yeah. So a water fast.

Speaker 2: (22:35)
Yeah. So I was, uh, really cashing in on something I had developed as a Mormon, which is that you do a 24-hour fast every month. So I kind of knew how to deal with it psychologically . Um, and on the fourth day, uh, I, it, it’s so funny too how obvious it, it was and is in retrospect, but it just occurred to me the only thing I’m interested in are mushrooms. I had been taking large doses of mushrooms at least once a month, um, for the last year and, um, and other psychedelics and had been having the most incredible experiences of insight and release and wonder and everything that comes with it. Um, and it had brought so much richness and freedom to my life. So, um, it occurred to me that mushrooms were it, and that I had only ever not considered it because I was afraid of what that meant I would have to do to be involved.

Speaker 2: (23:36)
And so, um, what I decided at that time was that I needed to go back to school and get into research with psychedelics. And so I was going to go and I had, I’ve only done three semesters of college, and so it was intimidating cause I was planning on going all the way to at least a master’s and getting a loan and working through that whole entire thing. But at the same time, I had digested enough inner fantasies about what life is supposed to be, that there wasn’t much left. And so it felt really easy to commit to something as intimidating or daunting as eight years of school because I didn’t feel like I would be distracted and I just needed something to do. So as I was preparing to go back to school, um, I was also heavily invested in kind of starting my own, uh, anecdotal, uh, research into psychedelics and how they could improve cognition and wellbeing and self-improvement.

Speaker 2: (24:45)
And so I was also super focused on, uh, neuronutrition a lot of different areas of psychology in the sense of improving one’s wellbeing, of course, um, and performance psychology especially, and flow state. Um, and so a big piece of that for me was food, because that was kind of the only resource I had access to at the time. Cause I didn’t have money for anything else and I was growing most of my own food. Um, and so I was very sensitive to how it felt to eat food and I was accumulating a lot of information of why it felt that way. And so I was able to develop this really helpful map of what food is to me now. Like as I’m eating something, what is it doing? Why is it doing that? How is that affecting my ability to, um, be intimate with life in a way that feels good and is sustainable?

Speaker 2: (25:44)
Um, and so the, the other side of that is this massive sense of dissatisfaction with what’s available in cheap and convenient food. And so this is where the company comes in and that it seemed to me that a solution to pay for school and to manage my own wellbeing would be to start making health foods that filled the potential I saw, which is that you could take things like snack bars and make them delivery mechanisms for potent performance and medicinal nutrition. And what I was experiencing at the time was that functional mushrooms are the holy grail of that because they have such a holistic effect on your body. They don’t cost you anything the way things like caffeine or other stimulants do. Um, and then they are also medicines in their own way. And so, um, that’s sort of the, uh, I think the word is apotheosis of the company and the philosophy behind it, which is that it can be easy to live well if we allow our laziness to inform our creativity, um, and to not compromise our values as we move forward with that. And so it started with snack bars and has since become what it is today, which is not much more . There’s some nut butters and just the regular mushroom powder blends. Uh, but then big plans for the future, which of course will hopefully include psilocybin.

Speaker 1: (27:16)
I’ve got this in front of me right here. Does that look familiar to you at all?

Speaker 2: (27:19)
Sure does. Have you been eating them?

Speaker 1: (27:23)
I have been eating them. And I know, um, you gave me, the caveat was this was kinda like one of your first products or first run or something, and you said that, yeah, it’s gonna taste very dry. I gotta tell you, it tastes much better than I thought it would because, um, you know, you kind of played it down. It’s definitely on the dry side, but, um, I’ve actually been using these, believe it or not, uh, hiking and things like that, and they’ve been working really well for me. So by eating these mushroom bars, uh, what should I, and I know you probably don’t have those available. I know you’ve probably, uh, you know, you’ve got other products that have replaced this maybe. But, um, what could I, what can I expect to happen to my health if I start eating these mushroom bars?

Speaker 2: (28:10)
Well, I would kind of put it into three categories. Um, oh, by the way, somebody told me if you pair those with apples, they’re delicious. And I, I tried to, oh, it’s true. So

Speaker 1: (28:21)
We got a whole bag of organic apples just yesterday. So I will, and you me, just kind, when you say pair, just kind of eat them together, is that what you’re saying?

Speaker 2: (28:30)
Just yeah, bite a each, it combines into sort of an apple cider kinda thing.

Speaker 1: (28:35)
Nice, nice, nice. Fantastic.

Speaker 2: (28:38)
So the first and most important thing to me is that you, well, actually what you don’t feel when you eat it, which is that you don’t feel digestive discomfort unless you’re the rare person that’s super sensitive to essential oils, which is why I’ve since changed it. And there’s very little essential oil in it. Um, but that has only happened I think once or twice anyone that’s ever eaten them. So you won’t feel heavy, you won’t feel digestive discomfort, you won’t feel bloating, you won’t feel tired, you won’t feel a lot of things that at least I never recognized I was feeling every time I ate until I started eating cleaner nutrition and suddenly food felt lighter. Um, which didn’t make sense to me at the time because if I’m adding something to my body, it should weigh it down because that’s just the physics of it.

Speaker 2: (29:29)
But if the food has a , I guess you could say chemical result, that’s buoyant, then you’re going to feel light and clear. And so the inverse of that is you’ll feel a, i, you know, at the beginning of IMAX movies where there’s that thing. Exactly. That’s what I feel. Um, every single cell is being given an active compound with which the cell will produce more energy. Literally, ATP production is increased by one of the mushrooms in the bar. And so there’s a sense of full body aliveness that the dial gets turned up on. And then, um, uh, cognitive clarity, I get a lot of people and myself included, that feel more creative and have just a, a more integrated sense of being with it. So that’s one part of it. Um, , I guess I said there’s three categories and I’m kind of mashing it all together.

Speaker 2: (30:31)
Uh, well, the other thing is you’ll feel satisfied. Um, hunger isn’t the lack of your stomach being full. Hunger is a signal that you are deficient in a nutrient that your body wants. And so to feel satisfied does not have to come after filling up your stomach. Um, so I notice that I can eat less than a full bar and I will feel satisfied and sometimes not finish it for another half hour or so, which is if I’m eating just normal, normal food off a plate, I’m ravenous looking. I grew up with seven siblings, and so if you didn’t eat fast, it was gone. Um,

Speaker 1: (31:17)
It’s funny that you said that because, um, it was the other day, I think it was up at out or something, and I had one of your bars in my, in my hip pack and I opened it up. I was kind of hungry and I, I ate half of it and I felt totally satisfied. So I put the other half back in the hip pack. It still might be there right now as a matter of fact, but, um, but it’s very shame that you said that because I I absolutely noticed that.

Speaker 2: (31:40)
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1: (31:41)
It must have given me, so other words, I got some kind of nutrition from it that, um, satisfied me and my cells and I felt like I just, I didn’t really have to have anymore. I was okay.

Speaker 2: (31:52)
Mm-hmm. , my intention with it originally was that you could replace your entire supplement regimen with one bar, and it’s not there yet, but, um, it does satisfy a lot of the nutritional needs that most people in the US are pretty chronically deficient in. Um, so it, I I love to hear that. It’s a, a huge validation, you know, to hear people say this. Um, and I’ll say the last thing that one could expect, um, and this is kind of my own theory with it, but, um, a, a huge idea that I wanted to push forward with these products is that everything in it is, um, a powerful anti-inflammatory agent. A lot of the ingredients are in the top 10 most powerful anti-inflammatory foods on the planet. Um, and this was incepted by the, I guess you could say the idea, I don’t know if it’s a fact or not, I believe it is that 80% of what ails US disease and illness wise comes from chronic inflammation.

Speaker 1: (33:10)
I’d say, well, there’s, there’s no question about that. And the two big, the two big ones, let’s face it. Um, heart disease and cancer, they both, they both come from chronic, they can come from chronic inflammation for sure. And, um, as also as a retired dentist, I don’t know if I told you that when we first met, but I’m a retired dentist. Mm-hmm. , um, chronic inflammation. I’ll tell you something, almost everybody has inflammation in their mouth because they’re just, it’s not being treated properly. But that’s something that we’ve see and that, and that goes into, that goes into your system. It’s, you know, everything’s connected. You know, you know that tennis, and I don’t have to tell you that everything’s connected , and when you’ve got chronic inflammation in your mouth, whether it’s in your gums or wherever, it’s, it’s traveling through your bloodstream and it’s, it’s going other places.

Speaker 2: (33:55)
Interesting. Yeah. Well, the, the, the, where this really plays into my theory is that, um, so a, a big piece of this all kind of came together, um, those three years ago when I started the company, I had done a, a very high dose psilocybin trip and had this excruciating headache and nausea for the next several hours after it ended. Is

Speaker 1: (34:23)
This, is this the same? So just, oh, sorry. But is this the same trip your, your original psilocybin trip? Or is this a, a, a trip after that?

Speaker 2: (34:32)
This was after, so this was a week or so after my four day fast.

Speaker 1: (34:37)
Tell me about, so tell me about that psilocybin trip, if you don’t mind.

Speaker 2: (34:41)
. So I, I wanted to test a bunch of ideas I had about how to intensify the trip, and they all worked . So the first one was to take eight grams of mushrooms, which was just all I had. Um,

Speaker 1: (34:59)
Well, I’ll in itself, that’ll work. You don’t have to do it. You just take it. You don’t have to do anything else. Yeah,

Speaker 2: (35:05)
I, I took every food I knew of that would have, um, a positive impact on cognition. And then when I felt the, uh, um, the peak coming on, I got in an ice bath and . Um, and there were a few other things I did, uh, that were insignificant because when I sat down into the ice bath, it was as if my consciousness flipped inside out. And I was seeing myself from the perspective of my shower head and my shower head from the perspective of me and also everything from the perspective of everything. It was as if I had been popped into a hyper spatial sense of awareness. And there was also, uh, oh, one of my arms just went up into a, a mora and I felt like I was emanating this like, shape of a, a Buddha figure. And it was very multicolored. And then I also at the same time was looking at it, it, the only way I know how to describe it is that I was also perceiving all of this from a higher dimension, like a fourth dimension of awareness.

Speaker 2: (36:24)
And I could tell that because there was a gap between me and everything, and it was like this chasm of transparency and I could see the edges of all of reality where edges couldn’t and shouldn’t be, nor could they be seen. But there I was seeing them. And the, at the, the, the last thing was there was this infinite sense of bliss that I could turn the dial up and down on using my voice and I could make my voice go into possibly high falsettos to get there, . And so that was , that was it for the next few hours. And I don’t remember much of what happened after that until the, the, uh, the crash I guess, that I had to pay for it all with after.

Speaker 1: (37:14)
That’s a great story. And, and, um, if I could just share something with you that happened to me just the other day, I mean, cuz it’s funny when you said you just tried to take anything possible or tried to eat anything possible that would enhance the experience. Um, so the other day I just did my regular old microdose, which was, uh, 0.25 gram of, of course dried mushroom 0.25, which is small, it’s a micro dose. But at the same time, I took a little, and it’s, this is not, um, calculator mathematical, I don’t even know how much it was, but I took, let’s just say I took a swig, I took a swig from a little bottle of C B D that I have, and then at the, I also ate two, um, lion’s, main mushroom capsules, so probably 250 milligrams each, so probably 500 milligrams of that.

Speaker 1: (38:05)
And between the three things now I’ve, I’ve been microdosing for a year and a half, and with 0.25 grams, I generally can hardly feel anything at all. But with everything I took together, and I’d like you to explain this maybe if you know the answer. With everything I took together, I felt this microdose as very strong. Now I can’t say it was like a true psychedelic trip, but like the entire day I felt this level of energy and this aura around me that was just like magical. And I’ve never felt that with a microdose like that before. But having combined it with my stack of C, b, D and of lions, man, something happened there.

Speaker 2: (38:49)
Yeah, I, you know, I’m, I’m glad you bring this up because it also ties into what I was meaning to loop back, which is this third thing I say you can expect at the bar. So my, uh, oh

Speaker 1: (39:02)
Wait, maybe wait a minute. Maybe, maybe was the bar, is it possible that I, maybe this ties into everything this has sent me on a tremendous trip from micro

Speaker 2: (39:13)
Well, so to tie all of this together, including what you were saying, um, the bar is designed kind of on the side, wink, wink to enhance a psychedelic trip. Uh, one because everything in it is geared to be, uh, is neuronutrition or neuro supportive? It actually, I feel like I’m on a microdose when I eat a bar most of the time. Um, and it, uh, so with the i, the anti-inflammatory nature of it, this is my theory that I’ve been kind of alluding to. I think that when you are in a psychedelic expanded state of awareness and that awareness is expanded in its perception of your own experience of your body, um, which I I would say projects that experience to form this your psychological state in many ways. And so if you don’t have inflammation kind of sounding the alarm and so much of us have chronic inflammation that we’ve just grown accustomed to, if that dies down, um, the way I, I guess the way I would put this is that the place that the psychedelic is trying to take you to, it’s a much smoother road to get there.

Speaker 2: (40:38)
And so it’s much easier to get there and more quickly and you’re able to perceive it with so much more clarity and not have to deal with the, um, psychological output from the inflammation. And again, this is all my, uh, theory about what’s going on. And so, um, I think that that’s what happens. And I’ve gotten a lot of, if not everyone I’ve ever asked that tried the bar with any psychedelic, even cannabis had a much smoother and cleaner experience. And I think if you add C B D, um, your cannabinoid system, especially if it’s full spectrum C B D is so satisfied that you’re able to, um, without having to work for it drop into a parasympathetic state. Um, and then all of just the factors of relaxation that come with C B D. And so you have this kind of dual effect of the C B D relaxing your sense of tension on a micro level, and then you have the psilocybin relaxing your sense of suppression on a, a site neurological and psychological level.

Speaker 2: (41:54)
And so you’re kind of opening up the stops on both ends. Um, and and I think that, and I have experienced this in moments that our natural state, if a person is able to sort of rest in the default of a higher level of what’s possible with our bodies as they’ve, um, evolved to be, it would likely feel a lot like a mushroom trip. Um, with just that expanded sense of awareness and body sensitivity and embodiment and everything that comes with it. Um, cuz I’ve had moments meditating or just being an incredible experience where the sense of wholeness alone brought me into what you could say as an altered state, but maybe is just a more true state. And that to me is the big benefit of psychedelics, is they give us these reference points and we know that it’s something that’s possible. And so we begin to sort of trend towards that naturally.

Speaker 1: (42:56)
That’s incredibly interesting. Tenon, I mean really, um, I’ll, I’ll tell you what I’d like to do, if it’s okay with you, I I like to really get a lot deeper into, um, the, you know, the non psychedelic mushrooms and talk to you about those as far as, um, inflamma inflammation and cognitive, uh, repair or enhancement or whatever. And, um, there’s so many more questions I want to ask you about mushrooms, whether they’re psychedelic or non psychedelic, and also about your, your business and some other things that, that just came to my mind while I’m talking to you. Um, can we, would you be willing to come back for like a, like a, like a part two?

Speaker 2: (43:34)
Yeah, I would absolutely love that. That would be a lot of fun.

Speaker 1: (43:38)
I think, I mean, I think we could just keep this conversation going. You’re, you’re re I mean, I knew when I met you the other day, uh, super interesting guy and I knew you’d be able to just run with this and, and, um, but before we, before we go for today, could you please let our viewers or listeners know how they can get in touch with your, you or your company or if they wanna order some of these? I’ll tell you, it’s funny, I didn’t even realize the other day when I told you I did the 0.25 microdose and, and the other things I did along with it sent me just sailing, if that’s like the right word. Um, yeah, I didn’t realize that maybe the bar could have played. Now I don’t think I had part of your bar in the morning, but it’s very possible the day before I had, because I think I hiked the day before and I probably had part of, part of a bar the day before, which probably is still in my system. So I didn’t even think about that aspect of it. But that’s, I, I’d hate to see, or actually I love this, what would happen if I took a little bit of a larger dose and also introduced these same things that I had for the microdose. We gotta talk about this stuff more how to, but how to in the meantime, in the meantime, how do people find you, your website, your products, all of that stuff?

Speaker 2: (44:49)
Okay, yeah. Um, the website is magic mou.com. That’s magic m a GIC mgu. Then I have an Instagram magic dot mou, Facebook magic mou. You can email me tenon at Magic mou. Um, and right now the only physical location you can find me at is the, uh, Brighton Flea market of Big Cottonwood Canyon, which is one of the most beautiful places in Utah. So

Speaker 1: (45:21)
There’s, there’s more than, I’m really glad you brought that up cause I wasn’t, I I wasn’t even gonna talk about the flea market, but that’s where I met you about two. It’s, it’s every Sunday I think, right? Every Sunday. And um, so those of you that are either local to lake or can get to Salt Lake on, on vacation or you’re not that far, you could drive in Tenon was absolutely right. Um, the Cottonwood Canyons are perhaps some of the most beautiful canyons or beautiful areas, uh, geographically, geologically whatever, uh, that I’ve ever seen. And, and we’re, so we’re, we’re privy to have them right here. People travel from all over the world to see these canyons. Big Cottonwood canyon and little Cottonwood canyon. And so this flea market takes place every Sunday, basically all day long. I think, um, in Big Cottonwood Canyon, it’s a very top and it’s, it’s brightened ski resort and they kind of do like a little flea market in the parking lot. And that’s exactly where I met, where I met Tennison. So you say that’s the only place somebody could actually physically meet up with you right now?

Speaker 2: (46:22)
Right now, yeah. It’s a funny story and maybe we’ll get into it next time. Uh, I was in stores briefly at the beginning of this year and then had to pull everything back cause I needed to redo it. Um, and so within, I anticipate the next two to three months will start going into local stores and you know, then as the progression goes into regional and so on, um, I’ve, I’ve already spoken with a lot of the, the grocery stores around that people know about. So it’s only a matter of time.

Speaker 1: (47:01)
Well what I you, um, the, the, the product you had on your little table there that really caught my eye was the, um, what do you call it, the round little, um, is it like a truffled? What what is that exactly?

Speaker 2: (47:10)
Well, I’ve been calling them mou power balls, power

Speaker 1: (47:14)
Ball,

Speaker 2: (47:14)
Power balls, just the new, the new formulation of the bar. But right now I’ve gotta make them by hand and so they’re balls .

Speaker 1: (47:20)
Well, if you don’t mind me saying this, um, they, I, I bought one, only one. I should have bought more. They was, it was delicious. I, I, I ate half of it and immediately found, found my wife and had her eat the other half cause it was delicious then. So that was so good. I bought, um, I had like got a drink from you. What was that? Some kind of um, some kind of coffee with mushrooms, something in it. What was that exactly?

Speaker 2: (47:43)
Yeah, so I’ve, I’ve been making my own cold brew and uh, I’ve got these mushroom shots, which is just a powder blend. You only need about a tape or a teaspoon of it to put add to the coffee. Um, which it balances out all the negative side effects and enhances all the positive effects of coffee. So it’s kind of the perfect marriage. I compare it to avocados and toast. They need to be together.

Speaker 1: (48:08)
, , . It was really good. And then I like that so much and I like you, honestly, I liked you. I said, what the heck, I following a whole box of these .

Speaker 1: (48:19)
Anyway, that’s what I want. I wanted to have a little, have you as a guest because I I love talking to you. You’re like the real deal. Um, I I I I wanna mention you and your company cuz I think, I think your future with this thing could be fantastic. I’m super interested in this stuff, obviously. So I’m glad we got together. I’m glad we met at Brighton and I’m glad we’re able to do this even though you’re probably right now little, literally I could probably look at my front door and scream and you can and wave. Yeah.

Speaker 2: (48:46)
Yeah. How the rest of it

Speaker 1: (48:48)
. So let’s do this, let’s get you back. We’ll I, I’ve got so many more things I want to ask you and maybe next time we can even do live to figure out how to set up the camera shots, but maybe we could do it live in, um, in my living room or somewhere that might, that might work too. We’ll, we’ll, however we do it, we’ll do it.

Speaker 2: (49:03)
Sure, yeah. Sounds great.

Speaker 1: (49:06)
So thanks, thanks so much Tanon. I really appreciate you taking your time. Um, and we’ll, you and I will talk offline and we’ll, we’ll get another date for part two of this

Speaker 2: (49:15)
Thing. Okay. Awesome. Thank you David. I so appreciate it. It’s been a lot of fun.

Speaker 3: (49:20)
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Here is the transcript to today’s episode:

Speaker 1: (00:00)
Hey, let me tell you about this magic mushroom stack that I did yesterday. It was actually unbelievable. First of all, I just wanna welcome you to microdose, you. I’m Dr. Dave. This is not medical advice. I just share things that are going on in my life with microdosing, psilocybin, and magic mushrooms and more. So yesterday I felt it was a good day for a micro dose, and I woke up in the morning and what I did, um, in addition to actually microdosing my 250 milligrams of psilocybin mushroom, so it’s two 50 milligrams, as you know, is 0.25 gram. I also took a, uh, I took some CBD. Now you’re gonna ask me, Well, how much did you take? And the answer is, I don’t know. I just took a little squi from a bottle of, of CBD that I had, so I don’t really know how much it was, but if I had to guess, I’d probably say it was in the neighborhood of 50, 60 milligrams.

Speaker 1: (00:57)
But it’s just, that’s a total guess. I don’t know. I didn’t measure it. I, I’m honest about it. I did not measure anything. And in addition to the CBD and the magic mushrooms, I also took, um, two little capsules of lion’s, main mushrooms. Now those are, these are totally, um, non psychedelic. They’re legal. You can get them on Amazon. They come, they generally come in capsule form. And I took two capsules, and I believe the capsules were each, uh, 250 milligrams. I somewhere right around 200, 2 50 milligrams. So, so about about 500 milligrams of lion’s, main mushrooms. Didn’t think much of it. Don’t ask me why I did it like that, but I just, for some reason, I just did. Um, I’ve had success in the past with C B D potentiating mushrooms and vice versa. So I just felt like, I don’t know, I was just in the mood to do that, and I just gave it a try.

Speaker 1: (01:49)
Um, about an hour later, I started feeling the effect of the mushrooms. Now, um, you know, you might say, Well, maybe it was the effect of the C B D. Maybe it was the effect of the lions made. Well, you could say that, but neither of those are, um, psychoactive at all. So you can ingest them and, and they’re good for you. They do many things as far as, um, combat anxiety, uh, good for cognitive brain function, things like that. But, but they don’t, they don’t give you any kind of high or they’re not psychoactive at all. The only thing I took that was psycho psychoactive was the magic mushrooms. So, as I was saying, about an hour later, I started like, really feeling this. Now, remember also, um, 0.25 gram is a microdose 250 milligrams, same thing. It’s a microdose. You’re not really supposed to feel a microdose.

Speaker 1: (02:42)
You’re supposed to feel maybe, um, how can I explain this? Like, definitely not psychoactive, definitely not tripping, definitely not high, but, but maybe like a good feeling. But I felt much more than just a good feeling. This was, um, I mean, I can’t say strong in, uh, as a, like a, um, like a psychedelic trip. It was nothing like that. I could totally function. I went out, my wife and I went to REI to exchange some stuff and buy some stuff, and, um, went to Target and did some shopping. So totally, totally function. But I like for hours, I’d say for a good part of the day, for most of the day, I had this like aura, um, how else can I phrase this? Um, like a glow, a feeling of, um, happiness. But more than just feeling happy, I definitely felt something like my body, I don’t know if you can call like a body high, but I wasn’t high, but it was like this glowy feeling that maybe, maybe I can’t explain it, but it was very, very definite.

Speaker 1: (04:01)
Absolutely. There it was. It was not a placebo. I’ve, I’ve been microdosing magic mushrooms for a year and a half now. I know placebo and I know when it’s not a placebo. This, this was absolutely not a placebo. No, no way. It, it, but it was this very, I’d say very, very interesting feeling that I had for a good part of the day. And it was a feeling like it was a good thing. It was, it was not scary at all. I didn’t think I was gonna go into some, you know, um, anxiety mode or be high or trippy that I couldn’t drive or function. It was nothing like that. Nothing like that at all. It was more, um, just a, um, a very, very positive, I would say strong glow, if that makes sense. I, i, I don’t know if that’s like a great descript or a strong glow.

Speaker 1: (04:57)
What does that mean? Well, I don’t really have a word to describe what it felt like, because I’ve never really had like this type of feeling before. Maybe I’ve had the feeling if I took a little bit more than a microdose, maybe that type of feeling, but maybe not. It’s hard, it’s hard to explain. Um, would I do it again? Yes, absolutely. Um, would I try it maybe with even a little bit of a stronger dose of mushrooms? Yes, possibly. Because I don’t know if it was the C B D or the Lion’s main, or a combination of both with the magic mushrooms that really just sent me, sent me out there. And again, that’s meant to be in a positive, set me out there is meant to be in a very positive, uh, way. Not, not nega. There was no negativity at all with this.

Speaker 1: (05:49)
Nothing bad. Um, so I just wanted to share this with you. So I also wanna tell you, be careful, because if you’re doing a microdose and you’re also adding something else to it, but again, such as what I did yesterday, c b D oil or you know, some cbd D is, is very, very commonly used, especially people that have like anxiety. Um, it’s, it’s common. And when I used to take CBD alone before I really even knew anything about mushrooms, um, it worked for a little while, but then it stopped working and I just got kind of disenchanted with it and just kind of put it off to the side. But, but lately, when I found out that it can actually work better if you use microdosing, um, I bought some more, and so I just had some, like lying around. I, I don’t use it regularly, but I had some lying on the shelf and I just, what the heck?

Speaker 1: (06:37)
And maybe there was a reason yesterday, maybe I felt like I needed some extra, like mph or some extra help. So maybe I just took a little, I know it’s not scientific, but I took just a little swig from the bottle there. Um, but I want you to be careful because if you are doing this, everybody’s different. And if you are taking even like a 0.25 microdose or even something a little bit larger and you add these two things to it, um, just be very careful because I don’t know, you know, if it’s gonna be feel a lot stronger to you, I’m just, I’m just not sure. There’s no way to really tell. So I just wanted to throw this out there. Maybe I’ll call this Dr. Dave’s magic mushroom stag. That would be pretty funny if that called on, wouldn’t it? I’d be like, famous for this like, stack, but probably people have done this anyway, so I’m probably not the one that even invented this.

Speaker 1: (07:23)
But, um, if you, if you wanna try it, I would probably try it with like a slightly less dose of the mushrooms. I’d probably try with, maybe try it first with a hundred milligrams or 150 milligrams. And, um, again, I’m not sure how much cbd, but let’s say, let’s say maybe do 30 to 50 milligrams of CBD and then take, um, a couple lion’s main capsules and, um, just see what happens. Um, I don’t think anything bad. I, I just really don’t think anything bad will happen at all. It’ll be, I think it’ll be very interesting. And if you achieve the state that I was in, um, good for you. We’ll call this Dr. Dave’s Magic Mushroom Stack of Success. Okay? Wanna share that with you. Um, keep in mind, I I, whenever I put out an episode, it’s always on my YouTube channel right here, which is Microdose u along with my, uh, podcast channel.

Speaker 1: (08:18)
It’s also called Microdosing You, that’s an audio podcast. It’s, it’s on, um, Apple Podcast and probably whatever else, wherever else you listen to your podcast. I’m sure you could find it. Um, I’ve got a resource page and I’ll put the link in the show notes. It’s basically, um, frequently asked questions about microdosing. So if you’re a beginner and wanna know a little bit more about microdosing or where to start, um, check out my FAQs on my page and I’ll, I’ll share the link right down there and on in the description. So next time. Dr. Dave, thank you so much for attending class at Microdose U. See you later. Hey, it’s Dr. Dave coming back to you after the show. I really appreciate you being here. And

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Hey there. Welcome back to Microdose You. I’m Dr. Dave. And today we’re gonna talk about shadow work. How do incorporate shadow work in your microdosing of magic mushrooms? Um, I put out a little pole on my, on the YouTube channel, oh, a week or two ago, and, um, it seems like 75% of you, roughly three quarters, um, don’t even know what shadow work is, and that’s okay. I didn’t know what it was either until I started actually using magic mushrooms and I kind of started getting into this whole world and of, uh, psychology and psychiatry and, and all kinds of things. And I finally realized how important shadow work is. See, when you’re, um, microdosing, when you’re using magic mushrooms to improve your life, change your brain. Um, it’s not like it’s an SSRI or, or a, um, uh, antidepressant. It’s not just a pharmaceutical pill.

You just pop and everything’s better. So along with using magic mushrooms, um, it’s good to do other work on the side. And we’ve talked about journaling and meditation and yoga and spirituality and things like that. But shadow work is something, it, it’s super, super important in my opinion. And basically what it is, well, I’ll explain how, why It’s even called shadow work. Um, you’ve been carrying around shadows no matter who you are, what you are, how your life has been, you’ve been carrying around, and sorry about it. I’m in a park and there’s all kinds of, um, lawnmowers and backup tractors. If it gets too loud, we’ll move, but hopefully you can bear with it. It’s, hopefully it’s not too bad. Um, so you’ve been carrying around. We all have been carrying around things from our entire life, um, good things and bad things. And the reason they’re called shadows, or we call them shadows, is because they follow you wherever you are.

You can’t get rid of them. You can’t get rid of your past life. You can’t get rid of. Let’s just, just say for example, if you were, um, I abused as a child, say something like that. Um, you can try to forget it. You can try to take it outta your life, but it, but it’s with you. It’s in, it’s in your dna basically. You can’t get rid of it. So when we say do shadow work along with microdosing, we’re talking about recognizing why we got to the point we are right now, why we feel the way we do, what, how it’s influenced our life or our lives. And, um, then what do we do with it? Well, well, let’s, let’s talk about how we, how we bring it up. So I was sharing this with you on a previous video that I went into my psychiatrist office for a visit several months after I started microdosing.

And I said to him, I said, I have figured out a lot of the reasons why I feel the way I do today. Like I, I outlined some things that I shared with him. I said, Well, number one, number two, number three, these were things that occurred earlier in my life that absolutely had an impact. These particular things had a negative impact. And I have, I figured this out. And he said to me at that time, he said, David, um, what you have figured out, it takes people, It could, it could have taken somebody 15 to 20 years of talk therapy to figure out what you have figured out in, in a matter of a few months through microdosing. And that was be the beginning of my shadow work. Even though I didn’t really understand what shadow work was or even know the name at that point, the beginning of my shadow work was figuring out why or what happened in my life to get me to where I am right now.

The shadow, the shadow that always followed me around. So let’s just make this up. Um, let’s just say through thinking and meditation and journaling and just being aware, once you’ve started your microdosing, let’s just say you’ve come up with a thought. And the thought is something like, one of the reasons I am anxious and depressed as, because I realized that I had an abusive, um, relationship. I had an, let’s say I had an abusive marriage. Now this is an example I’m giving. I’m not saying this is me. It’s, it’s an example. Um, and then you have realized that that’s one of your, that’s part of your shadow that’s following you around. Again, no matter if you try to forget about it or put it outta your life or, or whatever, it’s, it’s with you, it’s not going to escape. And if you don’t recognize it and don’t deal with it, it’s only, it’s, you’re not gonna heal.

And no matter how many magic mushrooms you do, no matter what kind of dose you do, if you don’t do the work alongside of it, become more spiritual. I just had a really good conversation with my friend trip on the phone and he’s, he’s done some videos with me here and he’s teaching me a lot about spirituality. Um, and this is nothing that we talked about today really. Well, maybe a tiny bit, but it’s something that I’ve been reading about for quite, quite some time now. Your demons, the things that happen to in your past life, follow you around your shadow. Good things also follow you around good things. If you had some great experiences, they follow you around. Also, they are part of your shadow, but they generally don’t have a negative effect on the way you feel. The good things generally make you feel better.

The bad things that happen to, to you in your life make you feel worse until you’re able to do the work that it takes to get rid of them. And I’ll, we’ll explain that in a second. You probably, you can’t get rid of them, but we’ll explain what to do. So the first part of shadow work is to realize that you’re going to do it. You’re going to accept, you’re gonna think you’re gonna meditate until you figure out. And it will come to you, it will come to you why you are feeling the way you are today. And again, we’ll use the example of let’s say you had an abusive relationship. So what I’m gonna recommend you do once you start to figure this out, I’m gonna ask you two journal, right in a journal. Now, um, I’ve gotta, it’s funny, I picked up this journal.

I, I journal all the time. I carry journals with me all the time. But I picked this one up at the airport a couple months ago when I was traveling to visit a friend in Atlanta. And it caught my eyes cuz it’s got mushrooms all over the front of it. I love it. And then I started thinking, um, I want to develop a microdosing journal, one that has all of the information you can put into it to, to describe on a daily basis your micro doses, how you feel, how much you took, um, all the, you know, every, everything, every single thing that you can journal about microdosing. And I’m actually developing, I’m in the process of developing that right now because I’ve looked on things like Amazon. There are some out there, but guess what? They’re not good. It’s, it’s almost like a waste of time.

So bear with me, Um, in a short amount of time, hopefully, you know, these things do take a little time to develop. I’m gonna have what I call a microdosing journal, and it’s going to be incredible. I recommend all micro dosers have one and use it and refer back to it on, on a daily basis. But I got ahead of myself. That’s not developed yet. It’s not there. Stay tuned for that at a, at a later time. Okay? So let’s say during your shadow work, you really take your time and you think back and you try to figure out, um, some of these demons or, or difficult things you went through in the past. Well, you do a lot of thinking, write them down in your journal and just come to grips with, okay, this was in my past, this happened. Um, I can’t change the past.

I can’t go back and change the past or else I would, but this did happen. And, um, that’s the way, that’s the, that’s why I feel the way I do right now. Now I’m gonna feel better because I’ve realized it. I’ve kind of accepted it. Um, I feel bad for the person that brought this on the person or however this came. I feel bad for that person and I’m not gonna hold a grudge. I’m not gonna hate this person. I’m going to actually forgive this person and give this person as many positive vibes as I possibly can because this person has problems on their own and there’s a reason why they did this to me and got me into this, into what I’m feeling today. But, but they had a problems and that’s why they had to do it. So I, I am gonna understand it.

I’m going to forgive and I’m not gonna hold any bad feelings. Once you do that, you’ve lifted like an incredible weight off of your shoulders and something that’s been following you for, for, uh, years, perhaps decades, perhaps most of your life. When you recognize that, when you write it down, when you come to grips with it, when you forgive, when you lift up all hate, lift, all hatred and bad feelings towards, um, another human being, then you have gotten yourself to a point where you are really, really ready to heal and doing this shadow work and it never ends. I don’t want you to feel that once you do it, it’s over. I want you to always kind of work on that because you probably can pull other things from your life and, and always just think about it and think about the person or people that have hurt you.

And again, um, lift all, get rid of all bad feelings and hatred towards that person or those people and, um, wish them well and wish them the best life they could possibly have. And trip actually helped me with a little bit of this one, this call we just had today. That, that part, and it really, I realized how powerful this is. Um, so that’s what I wanted to say about shadow work. Um, it’s something that’s really important. Um, also it could be done if you’re simply taking a, um, antidepressant or another type of pharmaceutical, but I think the shadow work really works extremely well in conjunction with the, um, microdosing of magic mushrooms because it’s just, um, it’s a natural plant medicine that is, that really does work on rewiring your brain and, and doing that. And along with the shadow work is, um, it’s life changing.

There’s, there’s, there’s zero question in my mind. Very, very powerful stuff. So, um, I want to thank you so much for being here. Again, none of this is medical advice. Um, it’s, I’m giving you my experience friend talking to friend like I always say. And I also wanna let you know that what you’re hearing or seeing today is available on both my YouTube channel, which is, um, microdose you and also my audio podcast, which is also entitled Microdose use. So if you are a, um, visual person you want to prefer to see me and see my expressions, then by all means watch me on the YouTube if you’re more of an, uh, I’d like to listen to podcast when I’m out for a walk or a run or in my car, then check out the audio version of Microdose u. Um, they’re both good. I will say that the YouTube version, the video version is usually a little bit ahead. So, um, if you see something on YouTube, it’ll probably be released on the audio version of the podcast, um, a short time later. That’s the only thing you need to know. And also my, um, resource page, which is in the show notes here, resource page, if you’re beginning or new to microdosing, um, I got a resource page you can just click on. It’s in the show notes and it answers a lot of the, um, most frequently asked questions about microdosing. So next time, Dr. Dave

Microdosing, thanks so much for being with me. Appreciate you. Hey, it’s Dr. Dave coming back to you after the show. I really appreciate you being here. And if you could just do me one little favor before you go, it’ll take you about 30 seconds of your time, go onto your podcast platform and give us a rating and a review. Um, it takes just a little bit of your time and it really, really will help the show immensely. I’m trying to get the word out to people all over the world because so many people are struggling and they need help and this is the way they’re gonna find out about us. So take a little bit of your time, do it for us. I really appreciate you. Thanks so much.

 

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Dr. Dave: (00:00)
Hey there. Welcome back to Microdose U. I’m Dr. Dave. Thank you so much for being here. This is one of the episodes, um, that is so important. Um, I want you, if you tick or check off or star any episodes that you wanna refer back to. This is going to be one of them. It’s something that I’ve talked a little about in the past, but not nearly enough, and it’s something that I am actually worried about you, uh, possibly having this and that could be contributing to, let’s face it, because one of the, um, reasons that you’re likely here at Microdose you is because you’re suffering or you have suffered with something like anxiety or depression, PTs, d um, something along that order. Um, chances are, because most of the people that attend attend micro dose, you are, are in that category, including myself. I have, I have suffered with those in the past.

Dr. Dave: (00:54)
Luckily, the microdosing has totally taken care of that. But that’s a really good segue into this because, um, full disclosure, I did something major, um, a couple years ago that I think has also played a really big part in me feeling as good as I do every single day right now, and that is being evaluated and treated for sleep apnea. Now, before you go anywhere, I wanna share this with you. This is super, super important. Um, sleep apnea is a very, very dangerous medical issue. And, uh, they say that about 80 some per, I don’t have the statistics right in front of me, but it’s close enough. 80 some percent of the people that, um, have sleep apnea are not diagnosed. So, uh, that’s a huge, huge, huge number. And to put things in per into perspective more, um, since I’m in the United States, I’ll give you United States statistics, but it’s probably similar all over the world because there’d be no reason why it wouldn’t be.

Dr. Dave: (02:00)
Um, about 25% of adults have sleep apnea. Now, that’s a huge number. That means one out of every four. And, and I think that’s, from what I know about sleep apnea and from what, um, has been trending or, uh, uh, it’s maybe not the right word, but, um, taking place. Um, I think in my opinion, I think that number’s actually low. I think that’s a, that’s a low, very conservative number. I think more than 25% of the people in this country and probably in the world have sleep apnea. Let’s back up for a second. And I, I don’t want you to go anywhere because again, this is super, super important stuff. And if you don’t think this pertains to you, it may, So hold on just a second in case you’re not clear or understand what, what sleep apnea is. Um, in the most simplest terms, sleep apnea is, um, pausing, breathing in the middle of the night due to certain conditions taking place.

Dr. Dave: (03:02)
And, and the two most common conditions that people could stop their breathing in the middle of the night is due to an obstruction. So, in other words, let’s say you have some, um, tissue that when you lay down, um, locks your airway and you will several times or could be, uh, many times per hour, Uh, stop reading. And the reason you will start again is just like you’ll gasp or wake up a little bit and realize that you, your, your brain will realize that you stop reading and then you’ll start again, only to go back to sleep and then have this start over and over and over again. This could take place anytime from any amount from, um, they say if it happens five times per hour or more, that is considered sleep apnea, in my opinion.

Dr. Dave: (03:51)
Again, it’s only my opinion. Even, even if it takes place two to three times per hour, that is dangerous too. Imagine, imagine you’re sleeping and they say the guidelines for obstructive sleep apnea or sleep apnea are, um, five times per hour having an event like that the last 10 seconds or more. Okay? Now suppose you’re sleeping and somebody stabs, you just stabs you, hits you in the ch or does something to you five times per hour. That’s gonna just think about how that’s gonna disrupt your sleep. That’s really, really bad. Now, severe sleep abne is when it happens like, uh, 20 sometimes per hour. That is super, super dangerous and moderate is somewhere mild to moderate, somewhere in the middle there. Um, but suppose, see the guidelines for sleep ap me are anything under five is normal. It’s okay, but let’s go back to the example of somebody stabbing you or hitting you or doing something to you in the middle of night and waking you up.

Dr. Dave: (04:57)
Suppose somebody did that to you only two to three times per hour and it disrupted your sleep and you had to wake up and then you had to go back to sleep. That’s, I don’t think anybody would say that’s a good thing or safe or, or good for your health. So that’s why I think the guidelines and the standards for sleep apnea or, or need to be, in my opinion, need to be updated because, um, although there are a lot of other measurements that go into this, um, the easiest one to understand, and the one actually a lot of doctors even go by, whether it’s right or wrong, is, is called ahi, and it stands for apnea hypo index. You don’t have to know those words, but it just means the number of times you, um, stop breathing or pause your breathing in the middle of the night. There’s also another type of sleep apnea, which is called central sleep apnea. And it has nothing to do with your, um, your air being blocked, uh, your breathing being blocked, but it has more to do with your brain sending inappropriate signals or not the right signals to your, to your, uh, body, to, to,

Dr. Dave: (05:57)
To breathe when you’re, when you’re, when you’re sleep. And that’s called central, central sleep apnea. And that can be as bad or just as dangerous. And there could be something called mixed, mixed sleep apnea, um, or like a hybrid, which is a combination of central and obstructive. So you don’t have to know all this stuff. The most important thing for you to know is that sleep apnea, the definition of sleep apnea is less oxygen, less breathing, pausing and breathing in the middle of the night for, for some reason. Now, what can result from having sleep apnea? Well, a myriad of things, and coincidentally or not coincidentally, some of them are what the reason you’re here, Um, high blood pressure, depression, anxiety, uh, you have a much better chance of of having, getting diabetes if you have sleep at me. That goes untreated. People that have untreated sleep apnea are more prone to go on to having major, major events such as heart attack, um, stroke, things like that. So it is very, very serious. Again, the most common symptoms that from the start of having sleep AP are, um, depression and anxiety and, um, high blood pressure. So you’re here for a reason. You’re here to learn about microdosing, so chances are you have some type of anxiety or depression or something like that.

Dr. Dave: (07:36)
I am going to strongly or since, since again, estimate an estimate of, um, one out of every four people have sleep apnea and 80% of the cases go untreated or un undiagnosed and untreated. It’s very, very serious. I’m going to suggest, I’m gonna strongly suggest that you look into this a little more and you go to your primary care physician and request a test for sleep apnea. It’s a sleep study. Most of the times it can be done at home. Most of the times your insurance will cover it, but in my opinion, this is one of the times that you can’t, we can’t worry about whether insurance is going to cover something because this medical issue is so far reaching and so common now and, um, so undiagnosed or underdiagnosed that we have to kind of put insurance to the side and, and say, I’m gonna pay for this, whether my insurance covers this or not. I’m, this is so important for me. I’m going to pay for this and I want, I wanna see if I have some type of sleep apnea. I would say there’s a decent chance that you do, especially if you’re frequently tired in the middle of the day, um, can’t concentrate, your blood pressure’s going up, you’re feeling anxious, you’re feeling depressed, um, there is a very good chance that you have it and you need to be, it needs to be looked at.

Dr. Dave: (09:03)
How is sleep apnea generally treated? Well, again, it depends what type you have, but a common thing, first of all is weight loss is a big thing because a lot of times people, if you have like excess weight, a thicker neck, then you should have, um, that can cause, um, sleep apnea to begin with. But again, that’s not the only cause. And thin people, like I’m reasonably thin and I have sleep apnea. So, um, the main way it’s treated the most mainstream and I think the most predictable and the best way it’s treated because there are all kinds of dental devices. And look, I’m a retired dentist and I’m all for dental devices if they work, but in my opinion, um, they do not work nearly as well as what is called A C P A P. And you changes are, you’ve probably heard of a C P A P, it’s a device that feeds positive air pressure.

Dr. Dave: (09:55)
You wear like a mask over your face. The but the masks are very, very comfortable these days. And I just wear something that kind of like sits, sits underneath my nose and I breathe through my nose throughout the night and it works very well. They deliver a C P A P machine delivers positive air pressure. That’s what the PAT stands for, positive air pressure throughout the night knight so that when you, there’s an obstruction that comes along, it will feed you the air and it will, um, break up or or disturb, disrupt the, the, the obstruction. That’s the, the idea behind it. It’s, again, it’s a little bit more complex than I’ll go into here. And they’re different type of C P A P machines and there’s, um, bilevel machines and, and actually through my usage of C A P and experimenting over the years, I actually, um, graduated to something called an a SV machine, which is, um, kind of like a high level C A P A C P A P machine on steroids, if you will.

Dr. Dave: (10:50)
Um, they’re not for everybody, but it’s more if you have, um, central sleep apnea is where your brain is not telling you when to breathe in the middle of the night. It’s it. So ASV stands for adaptive servo ventilation and it is the, again, cause I went through different types of C P A machines and it’s the only one that really works or work has been working predictably for me. And it’s totally helped me get outta my funk of not being able to sleep well and being super tired during the day. And I am a very, very, very strong believer in, um, using a C P A P machine for sleep apnea.

Dr. Dave: (11:32)
Um, where do we go from here? What should you do? As I said, I, I really believe if you have any of the symptoms that I’ve, um, outlined earlier, um, especially, especially, um, high blood pressure, um, anxiety and depression, um, I would strongly suggest to your primary care physician that you really want to get a sleep study. Um, after you get the sleep study, when the results come back, please listen to your doc and, um, take the advice on treatment because again, it could be the most important medical decision you’ve ever made in your life. I’m surprised there’s just not more of this. I think, um, a decade from now, it’s gonna be so mainstream to be talking about sleep apnea. It almost is now, but, um, not enough. Not enough. So that’s what I wanna share with you. Again, super, super important. I cannot stress that if enough that if you are kind of like saying, Ah, this is not for me, this is not, But if you have any of these symptoms, I’m telling you this could be for you.

Dr. Dave: (12:36)
So I’m glad you made it this far. Um, remember that, um, I put these episodes out on, um, my YouTube channel called microdose U as well as my audio podcast, um, which is also called coincidentally Microdose u. Um, I’ve got our, um, microdosing resource page that describes if you’re a beginner at this, it describes everything from kind of start to finish about microdosing. Go to my website, it’s david maow.com, D a v i d M A d o w.com. I welcome all questions of comments. I do my best to get back to, um, almost everything as much as I can. Sometimes I miss a little bit just because of my work schedule, but um, I do the best I can and I thank you so much for being here. Dr. Dave Micro, does you talk to you soon?

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Speaker 1: (00:00)
Hey, there is Dr. Dave, and I’m gonna be sharing with you today why you should not be afraid to microdose or you should not be concerned about using magic, mushrooms, psilocybin, et cetera. We’re gonna get into all of that today. Thanks so much for being with me. I really appreciate you. By the way, this is a special edition of my podcast. Um, it’s coming out on a day. I usually release the podcast, the audio shows on Fridays. It’s coming out a little bit earlier. I just wanna test this and see how it goes. I throw in a special edition for you, special episode for you. See how you like it. It’s gonna be a little bit longer than most cause I’m gonna give you a lot of information. So let’s dig in right now. And by the way, if you like what you hear either now or when you get a chance, the end of the show, I’ll go into the, um, go into your podcast app and just give me a, uh, a good, honest review.

Speaker 1: (00:50)
It really helps the show. And I’m here to just share my personal story with people across the globe because I’ve, I’ve found out that, um, not only did I have some issues with depression and anxiety and PTSD and and things like that, but I found out that so many people, so many of you have issues that are very similar to mine. And even if they’re not exactly the same, I am a, um, really, really firm believer that microdosing magic mushrooms is the answer. It was for me. I’m not special. I’m not, I’m no different than you probably, although everybody’s different. I’m, I’m, you know, I’m not that much different. We’re all not, we’re all not that much different from each other. It will work for you. It’s, it’s, but you have to do it. But number one, you can’t be worried or afraid. Um, and that’s one of the biggest reasons that people read about it.

Speaker 1: (01:45)
Listen to podcasts, watch YouTube videos, and, and do a lot of research. But then for some reason, they just never start. And I’m here to address a lot of the reasons why people don’t get started. And also, um, why you should not be afraid to get started. Because there’s really, it’s, it’s actually pretty simple and there’s nothing to it. But you do have to know a few things for sure. So one of the reasons, um, that you or possibly other people do not, I mean, they look into it so much and they wanna do it, but they just don’t get started, is because they’re afraid. Um, they could be afraid of, or you, you could be afraid of several different things, one thing. But the most common things that people are worried about, well, number one, let’s just tackle this one right away. Um, it’s in most, in most places, I’m recording here from Utah in the United States, in most places, it is a felony.

Speaker 1: (02:38)
It’s a fe, it’s federally illegal. It is, um, you, you, you, you, it’s, it’s, you’ll get in trouble. You’ll get in trouble if you get caught. But having said that, I think if you are just using a little bit to microdose and you have a reliable source, um, and you’re doing this in the privacy, privacy of your own, own home, uh, the, the chance of anything really happening, I mean, I can’t say it’s impossible, but the chance, if you’re super careful like I am, if you’re super careful, uh, you’re gonna be fine with that. So the, um, oh, I don’t, as you know, if you’re been listening to me for a while, I don’t discuss sourcing here. I don’t source at all. Um, please don’t ask me where to get magic mushrooms or psilocybin or anything. Like, don’t, don’t ask me cuz I’m not gonna be able to share because I want to keep this show clean.

Speaker 1: (03:29)
Um, meaning I don’t want to tread on anything or cross any lines that make things illegal. So, you know, I it’s totally fine that I can relate my story to you all, and I’m happy to do that. And I’m being very transparent and I’ll share anything. If you, if have a question, I’ll answer your questions. Um, and by the way, if you want to email me, my email address is run dr dave gmail.com. It’s simply rundrdave at gmail. I’m going to be setting up, um, I’m working on setting up a Facebook group that we can all jump on because I know sometimes it’s, it’s hard to, you know, might be not a simple thing to communicate with me or maybe other like-minded people that, that are in this community. And I’m, I’m going to be setting up a Facebook group.

Speaker 1: (04:17)
It’s most likely going to simply be called microdose You. And that’s the letter you micro, micro microdose you. And that will give us like a, um, a place, a safe place, and it’ll be a private group that’ll give us a safe place where we can kind of hang out in between shows and talk and ask questions and answer questions and the like and things like that. So, but getting back to again, um, number one is, um, you have to find a reliable source. And going on Instagram is not finding a reliable source because 99.999% of the people on Instagram that tell you that they know everything and they’re gonna help you and they’re gonna coach you, and they’re gonna be, they’re gonna be taking your money. That’s what they’re gonna be doing. If you don’t believe me, try it out and you will lose your money.

Speaker 1: (05:07)
And please, I won’t say I told you so, but please be super careful. You need to speak to people and you need to talk to people that either you know personally or somebody that you’re extremely close with and you trust knows personally. There are no other excuses and no other, um, reasons or no other ways to, to get this. But I will tell you this, it’s very, very easy. Very easy, okay? So, um, let, let me so we got that out of the way. Um, you’re, you’re not sure where to get it and we kind of got it outta the way. Cause I, although I can’t tell you where to get it, you know, now that, um, it’s, it’s not difficult. And just do some research. And if you’re not still not sure, do a Google search for, for example, something like, um, psychedelic therapy coach followed by your name, um, I’m sorry, your town, your town or your city.

Speaker 1: (06:00)
Um, there are psychedelic coaches in almost every city in town. Um, some of them are therapists, some of them are life coaches. Some of them are just self-proclaimed people that can help people on a psychedelic journey. But the reason you’re doing that, again, if you’re not sure where to get, where to source your, your medicine from, is, um, these coaches or these psychedelic therapists, um, can generally help you. You may have to pay for a session or two to go in and meet with them and talk, but, um, in the end, I’m pretty sure you will be able to find somebody that, um, will, will help you reach that goal of finding your medicine if you have not been able to do it on your own or with the help of a friend or friends or maybe other communities. Okay? So we got that part outta the way.

Speaker 1: (06:48)
Now, most likely, what you’re concerned about or what you’re afraid of is what’s going to happen when I take this psychedelic medicine. I mean, I could flip out, I could have a bad trip, I could have psychosis, I could, I could have suicide, suicidal, thought I could just kill my, okay, well, let’s get this out of the way as well. That’s not gonna happen. We’re talking, first of all, it generally does not happen with a regular macro dose that people take, you know, larger doses like, uh, many grams, but it’s not going to happen. Remember, we’re talking about microdosing. We’re talking about a dose that is basically around a 10th, a 10th or a 20th of what somebody would take to let’s say trip or go to a party or recreationally have, um, a good time with this plant-based medicine, which I’m not even recommending necessarily.

Speaker 1: (07:46)
I’m rec, I am a micro doser and I’m using this in a serious way as a plant medicine to rewire and rework the neurons in my, the neuro pathways in my brain to get rid of this anxiety and depression and PTSD and worry and all kinds of things. Now I’ve been doing this for a year and a half medicine’s done its job. I feel great, I feel fantastic, and I felt fantastic fairly early on. Although over the months and months leading up to the year and a half, I could tell it was always getting better. But on the very first day, I, I like you, I didn’t know what to expect. I mean, I grew up in the sixties and seventies. I graduated high school in the early seventies. So I’m, you know, I’m a little bit on the older side and I’ve had a lot of experience with, uh, marijuana.

Speaker 1: (08:40)
I mean, I, I started using marijuana recreationally, um, back in high school. And to this day, I still use it responsibly, uh, when I want to. Um, never been a, never been a drug abuser. I’ve never been addicted to anything. I don’t use alcohol at all. Uh, a little bit here and there. If my wife and I are having a nice dinner, I might drink a little bit of sake or, or soju, which is a Korean, uh, liquor. But, um, I, I really drink very, very little alcohol. But I, one thing I never really got into in, back in the day, back in the high school days in college, and even after that, I never got into psychedelics. And I had friends that were using mushrooms and LSD and probably other things. And, and you know, I heard all kinds of stories. There was a guy in my high school class, I think it was 11th or 12th grade guy actually took acid.

Speaker 1: (09:31)
I’m not sure, I’m not sure if LSD actually, I’m not sure if LSD or, uh, some type of, uh, I, I’m not, It was some type of psychedelic, I’m assuming it was lsd, but I’m not sure. And the guy, the guy flipped out. He somehow ended up in, he just never showed up at school again. He, he, the word was, he ended up in a, in a mental institution for, for a while. Now he’s, okay, now I still, I’m still in touch with him, but he was put away for, I don’t remember how long. It seemed like, it seemed like weeks back then. It could have been months. I’m just not sure. He just, he just never came back to school. And I think the next year, if this was 11th grade, he may have come back, but I don’t really remember much. But this is a, uh, it’s not the normal story and it won’t happen to you because number one, he was taking large doses.

Speaker 1: (10:18)
He probably did not know what he was doing. He probably did not have his set and setting right and, and just all kinds of things were going into this. But again, he was not microdosing. Uh, the good news is, even if you were to take larger doses, there’s no real, um, lethal amount and you can’t overdose. You’re not gonna, you’re not gonna die from eating mushrooms unless you take a poisonous mushroom. So you have to be careful that you’re sourcing, of course. But if your sourcing is good and reliable and ethical, you’re, you’re not gonna be, you’re not gonna be worried about that. But again, you’re gonna be microdosing. So you’re gonna be taking anywhere from 50 milligrams, which is 0.05 grams. Now remember, you’ve gotta be good at metric and metric conversion because you gotta be able to think fast. So 50 milligrams is like the very, very, very low end of a microdose.

Speaker 1: (11:06)
It’s 0.05 grams. Um, and it could go, a microdose could go up to, um, about 250 milligrams, which is 0.25 grams a quarter of a gram. Um, and some people would say, Well, even if you stretch it up to 0.3 grams, 300 milligrams. And when I, when I give those weights, I’m talking about dried ground up mushrooms. That’s generally the way we use mushrooms for a microdose dried, totally dried ground up, like in a coffee grinder and usually put into capsules or tea at tea bags. Um, if you have a source, a lot of sources will do that for you already. But some people will sell you just, um, the mushrooms, the dried mushrooms, and then you, you have to grind them and put ’em in a grinder or, um, use a mortar and pestle or something to grind them up into find, uh, little, uh, find little, uh, particles and, is that the right word?

Speaker 1: (12:01)
Particles, Find little powder or whatever you wanna say . Um, um, and then you put them in a teabag or, um, or, or, or, uh, capsules. But again, I i, I did a whole video, uh, not I, I did a whole podcast on, uh, on this and it’s called The Absolute Beginner’s Guide to Microdosing Magic Mushrooms. It takes you from start to finish, uh, on, if you’re total beginner on how to start dosing with magic mushrooms, what, what dose would you start at? How long you should do it, How many days on, how many days off it tell, it gives all that information I’m thinking about in the near future doing an update on that. But right now, um, it’s totally good. It’s accurate, it’s up to date. I just wanted to kind of do a newer one to kind of get more out there for people.

Speaker 1: (12:50)
But the one I’ve recorded a few months ago is, um, very, very accurate and good. And it gets a lot of listens on this podcast here. So see if you can find it. It’s called The Absolute Beginner’s Guide to Microdosing Magic Mushrooms. Okay, so we got this out of the way that you are not going to have a bad trip. You’re not gonna be in the hospital, nothing’s, you’re not gonna get anxious. Nothing bad’s gonna happen to you because again, it’s a microdose. Now, when I first took my very first microdose, now remember I was on an ssri, I was on Lexapro, uh, I was actually on 20 milligrams a day, which is a high end dose of Lexapro. So when I took my very first microdose, I didn’t really know how I was gonna feel. I wasn’t scared. I mean, I wasn’t worried or wasn’t anxious about that, but I j I knew that it was not gonna harm me.

Speaker 1: (13:46)
And I knew that if anything, I wasn’t positive yet. But I knew, if anything, it was the beginning of my journey to stop being anxious, stop having this anxiety, stop having this depression, control the PTSD and any other things and get just, and just basically get me more motivated and, and have, enjoy my life more. Cause I was getting into ruts where I just, sometimes I just didn’t feel like could even do anything. It was horrible. So I took this very first dose and just from memory, I’m pretty sure it was 0.2 grams. It might have been 0.25, but, so let’s say it was anywhere in the range of 0.2 to 0.25, which again is 200 milligrams, 250 milligrams, dried magic mushrooms, um, in a capsule. So I swallowed the capsule, drank some water with it. Of course, it’s always good to drink a lot of water.

Speaker 1: (14:38)
And I sat back and waited. And remember, it’s a micro dose, so you’re not, so things aren’t gonna really just start happening. Like, I’m not gonna start seeing colors. I’m not gonna go on a trip. I’m not gonna be like, uh, like psychedelic a I’m, I’m not gonna be high. It’s just, it’s a microdosed. So what I did, I, um, after I drank some water with it, a good amount of water, I turned on the TV and I turned on something. I, I, I can’t remember which show was, but it’s, it’s really funny. I remember within a half an hour to an hour I was watching TV in my living room and some commercial came on and I just started laughing and laughing and I don’t know why, why I was laughing cuz the commercial wasn’t really like, particularly funny. But I just, I just started laughing at this commercial and then I thought, well, you know, okay, I know that magic mushrooms or psychedelics or special psilocybin is supposed to you, It can make you giddy, it can make you laugh at things that maybe aren’t even funny.

Speaker 1: (15:36)
You just kind of go into these laughing fits. So I don’t know whether that was like a preconceived notion that, um, I knew that was probably supposed to happen. So it made me like, almost like a placebo. So it made me laugh. I don’t know. I’ll never know. To this day, um, my guess is that it was probably like a placebo. Like I just started laughing cuz I knew that maybe that was the right thing to do, but I really did feel like laughing. I really felt that this was funny. And then after that, I took a walk. Um, I’ve got this beautiful park right across the street from my house. So I went and took a walk in the park with my iPhone with that has music on it and my, um, earbuds or headphones. I can’t remember which ones I used that particular day.

Speaker 1: (16:20)
But I went on top of this hill in the park and I just laid down and I put my earbuds in and I put on Sergeant Pepper by the Beatles. You’re most likely familiar with that album. It’s from 1967 and it’s a really nice, like psychedelic work of art. It’s just a beautiful album anyway, and my feeling is they absolutely wrote this and, and played this music while they were on some type of psychedelics. I mean, it’s, it’s so clear. But what I realized though, and this is, remember, this is the first microdose ever. I had never taken a psychedelic before. What I realized is I was laying down in the park listening to this album, this beautiful album on in my, through my earbuds. Um, I figured out that this, The Beatles absolutely recorded this album for people to listen to while on psychedelic drugs or plant medicine, a psychedelic plant medicine, I should say that’s a better word, plant medicine, drugs, drugs, sound bad.

Speaker 1: (17:24)
Plant medicine sounds a lot better. And that’s what this is. It, it, it’s natural plant medicine. It’s not a pharmaceutical. It comes from the ground naturally. You don’t have to alter it in any way. So there, so I had this new, uh, kind of like reborn feeling about Sergeant Pepper. It just sounded so wonderful. Then I went on a little, little walk and I was, as I’m walking around, I’m, I’m noticing traffic around my area and around the park. And, and something looked a little bit different about the traffic. Like, I’m thinking like all these cars on the street, like where are they going? This is just like where like people are driving. Are they really going anywhere? Do they know where they’re going? It was just like, kind of like a weird feeling that probably a weird feeling that you have when you’re on like a heavier trip.

Speaker 1: (18:16)
But again, I don’t know whether this was a placebo effect at all, but I was really enjoying my time from laughing at the commercial to listening to the music of, uh, The Beatles and Sergeant Pepper to noticing, um, traffic and pedestrians walking around. It was beautiful. And one other thing I noticed, well probably notice a lot of things, but one other thing I noticed that day was, I normally back then, I normally like to take a nap sometime early afternoon, middle of the day. I just would get tired sometimes. And I, I like to take a nap. But for some reason on that day, I did not have any urge whatsoever to take a nap. I felt like maybe more energetic than anything. And I was going still going through some, some, some health issues back then because I was still working on my, my sleep apnea.

Speaker 1: (19:04)
Um, I was on some blood pressure medication, to which by the way, I’m, I’m pretty much off of just about all medication especi and I was on, I was on Lexapro, which is, uh, you know, antidepressant and ssri. And, um, even though this is beyond the scope of today’s episode, um, I’m off of, I’m off of everything pretty much, except I just went back on a, a very, very low dose of a, um, of a, of a diuretic, a blood pressure med just, just to make sure I keep my blood pressure in check. Um, but nothing like I used to be on. So that happened almost from the beginning, like within the first month, within the first month of microdosing, I felt very comfortable. Um, and, and my monitoring my own blood pressure and, um, weaning myself off of my blood pressure medication. I mean, and along with, uh, talking to my doctor about it too, I just really wouldn’t do this without talking to my, my family, uh, doctor, my family practitioner about this.

Speaker 1: (20:02)
But, um, she was all on board. My blood pressure was low enough to discontinue the meds. So my first experience was a really, really good one. I mean, there was, there was nothing negative whatsoever. And again, I didn’t feel high. I didn’t feel trippy. Um, I could totally function. I didn’t drive that day just because I wasn’t sure what was going to happen, but I absolutely could have driven. And then the next day I, I did the same thing because I was trying to do, I think back then I was trying to do three days on and two days off. This will be explained again, this will be explained a lot more in the, um, episode that’s called the Absolute Beginner’s Guide to Microdosing Magic Mushrooms. But, um, I did a pattern back then where I really pretty much don’t do now, and I, I just pretty much did three days on dosing for three days in a row, then taking two days off of not dosing and just doing a lot of journaling and, and thinking and, and uh, exercise and walking and things like that.

Speaker 1: (21:01)
And then I’d get back into my three days on and two days off. Well, here we are a year and a half later, and if you have any concerns now, I know this is just me, but if you have any concerns at all about I just am worried, I’m afraid hell, I’m gonna feel, I’m telling you again, please don’t worry, it’s a microdose. Micro means extremely small. If you were taking 2, 3, 4, 5 grams, I’d say, well, you need to do a little more research and thinking and make sure you’re in a, a good place and you’re set and setting or perfect and, and maybe you have a trip sitter, things like that. But you’re not, this show is called Microdose U for a reason because it’s a microdose, it’s tiny, it’s not gonna cause a problem. And here’s another thing I will share with you if it does cause a problem, which it won’t, and a a common problem.

Speaker 1: (22:05)
Some people say they do get a little bit of anxiety, I still feel that’s probably more of a placebo and they’re just worried too much. But even if you do get a little bit of anxiety, it wears off in a few hours. You don’t have to worry. You just, you can lay down and take a nap or, or, or listen to some music or something. It’s, it’s, it’s gonna wear off. This is not a permanent effect. If you take a microdose capsule, it’s, it’s not a permanent effect. You’re going to be fine. Now, one of another one of the most commonly asked questions to me and to other people that are, you know, thinking about microdosing is, but Dr. Dave, I’m on a, in antidepressant. I’m on an ssri, which stands for, what it stands for, stands for selective serotonin reuptake in her inhibitor, which does compete, the SSRI and the psilocybin actually compete for the same receptor to get, that’s a way to get into your, into your cell, into your body.

Speaker 1: (23:09)
They compete for the same receptor. So it can be argued. And it is probably true that if you are on an Ss i, it can block or compete or mitigate the amount of, um, psilocybin that’s gonna be able to get into your body as well. Now having said that, I am not going to recommend, and again, this is not medical advice I’m giving you, This is friend talking to friend, I’m your friend and I’m sharing my personal story with you. Um, you know, you might wanna do more research if you feel the need to, but again, I’m, this is, I’m not giving you official medical advice. It’s what I did. But I, I don’t recommend just getting off of your SSRI or an antidepressant because that’s not safe thing to do because you’re on it for some reason. And when you do get off of it and it leaves your bloodstream and leaves your body, you’re eventually going to be having those same symptoms, most likely for anxiety, depression, and probably more.

Speaker 1: (24:09)
So, um, what I did is I started microdosing while I was on my Lexapro and I would just do it the same way as if I weren’t. I I, you know, I started with 200 milligrams in my, in my episode, the Absolute Beginner’s guide. I, I tell you to start with less just to titrate up. But I was doing it. I was microdosing kind of pretending that I wasn’t on anything else, but I was, and that’s, it’s not dangerous. Um, but I wanted to do both at the same time. Now, there came a point in time, which is probably about eight or nine months after I started microdosing, that I started weaning off of my Lexapro and I was able to actually totally discontinue it. And I’ve been off of Lexapro now for, uh, a good a, a good eight months. And I feel really, really great.

Speaker 1: (25:00)
And I attribute that to the microdosing of matching mushrooms because once you get off of Lexapro, it’s a pharmaceutical. Once you get off of it, um, after a few weeks, your body is back to the way it was before Lexapro. In other words, Lexapro is not a cure and I’m using Lexapro, but you can substitute whatever you might be on Paxil. Um, you know, and would just substitute your, the name of your antidepressant or anti-anxiety medication, whatever it might be. Once you get off of it, you’re back to the way you were now. Psilocybin or magic mushrooms were my saving grace because they came in and did the work to rewire my brain so I no longer needed the antidepressant. But you can’t just go getting off antidepressants cuz you feel better because of course you feel better, you’re on them, you’re taking them. But until you substitute something else, in my case, and it sounds like probably in your case, is gonna be psilocybin magic mushrooms until you substitute something else that’s gonna work differently.

Speaker 1: (25:58)
You can’t just discontinue talk to your doctor about that. It’s not a good idea. It’s not safe. So I think I’ve mentioned three things so far. The three reasons why you might be worried about starting it, maybe haven’t started, and those are sourcing, you’re not sure where to get it. Number two, you’re not sure how you’re gonna feel and you’re afraid you’re gonna go into like a psychedelic frenzy. And number three, you might be on some other type of medication, namely an SSRI or antidepressant and you’re, you’re worried and not sure if you have to get off of it. So I hope these three main reasons. Now, there are other reasons why people don’t microdose and, and a a, a big one is just simply procrastinating. Some people are just so good at doing the research and looking into it and spending all their time talking to other people and watching videos and listening to podcasts.

Speaker 1: (26:51)
But then in the end they say, eh, you know, I don’t know, it’s not for me, but that, that’s procrastinating and putting something off that really could help you quite a bit. Now if you don’t wanna do it, don’t do it. I’m not, I’m not asking you or making you, or or strongly suggesting that you do it, It’s up to you. But the story that I share that it’s totally, totally turned my life around and I’m just a regular guy and it totally improved my life. That’s why I’m here sharing the story that you should. There’s nothing to be afraid about. There’s nothing weird about it. It really, really helped me and I’m pretty darn confident it will help you. So I really hope this gives you a little bit of incentive to get going and, and, and get started. If you feel you really need this.

Speaker 1: (27:40)
It’s a life changer for sure. It’s a very sacred plant medicine that’s been used for, um, generations and generations and generations. It’s not new, It’s been around way before you and I, uh, roamed this earth way before. So, um, stick with me. I’m Dr. Dave. This is microdose you. And again, if you could just take a few seconds, I would really appreciate it. This is probably the the best thing you could do to help the show, to help other people because if the show thrives, other people will learn about this. And it’s simple. Just please go in however you’re listening to this. If it’s on Apple Podcast or Spotify or whatever it might be, um, go into the app and give a review, give an honest review. I will say my reviews have been very, very high. Uh, so for some reason you don’t like it.

Speaker 1: (28:29)
Maybe instead of giving a really negative review, get in touch with me and, and we can maybe straighten it out between us instead of going on and giving a negative review. Because again, I’m not saying that because I get a lot of negative reviews. I don’t, it’s in fact most just about every review is extremely positive five star. But you know, you get one or two bad ones and it can really drag you down. So that’s why I’m asking, please be fair and if there’s something that really bothers you or you don’t like about this message me again, I gave my email address earlier. It’s rundrdave at gmail. Uh, the doctor is abbreviated Dr. Run doctor dave gmail.com. I’m here for you and, and I’m really looking forward to opening up this, um, this private group on Facebook. It will be called Microdose u Um, by the time I get this published and out to you, it’s not gonna be up yet, the Facebook group that is, but I am gonna be working on it over the next few weeks and let’s get this going. Let’s get a really, really cool community going cuz I really, I, I really am interested in having you live your best life ever. Okay, Till next time, thanks so much. This is Microdose you and I am Dr. Dave.

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Here is the transcript to today’s episode:

Dr. Dave: (00:00)
I have been doing transcendental meditation twice a day for 20 minutes at a time for one full month. And I’m gonna share with you exactly the changes that I have seen in my body and in my mind and in my life before I do. I just want to welcome you to microdose you. I am Dr. Dave, and on this channel I share with you, um, how microdosing magic mushrooms psilocybin has totally, totally changed my life for the better. So let’s get into the program today. I, yes, I have been, uh, doing TM, doing trans Atal meditation for exactly one month, twice a day, 20 minutes at a time. And I will tell you this, that I have found out that transcendental meditation and TM are both trademarked or copyright terms. And I am not really allowed to use them, but I will share with you, I am not associated with the organization in any way.

Dr. Dave: (00:54)
I’m not a certified instructor. I’ve never taken the instruction from them. I’ve done it from my research and I learned how to do it on my own, which I will share with you. But since I’m not allowed to call it transcendental meditation, let’s call it. I don’t know. Let’s call it just for the sake of today’s show. We’ll call it microdosing meditation. I don’t know if that’s good or bad, but since I’m not allowed to call it TM or transcendental meditation, um, if I’m talking about it or giving instructions on it, we’ll call it microdosing meditation for today. So, um, what have I noticed after one month? And I’m, by the way, I’m still going to continue to do it, but after one month, I think that’s a pretty safe time to share with you the changes I’ve noticed in my body and in my life.

Dr. Dave: (01:36)
And in my mind, I have been extremely calm and my sleep has been really, really good. And not only that, it seems to me like I need less sleep. I just got back from a one week road trip and on the road trip, it was a little bit more difficult since I was doing a lot of things with friends and family and activities. It was a little bit more difficult to get the amount of sleep I normally get, but even getting less sleep, I felt totally rejuvenated and really, really good and awake, um, each day with less sleep. So again, I’ll get into whether I think this was an effective TM or a result or a product of the TM or otherwise. And I’ll share that with you too. I can think super clearly, I’ve been at total 100% peace with myself. I feel like I’ve been more forgiving of other people, more understanding, and the list goes on and on, but those are kind of the main things that I have noticed since I’ve been doing the, uh, transcendental me. Oh, not transcend, I mean, re dosing meditation twice a day for 20 minutes at a time. And again, I’m going to show share with you. It’ll take me just a few minutes. Exactly, exactly how I do it every single day from start to finish. But, um, something I am not sure of. And that is

Dr. Dave: (02:58)
Since I’ve been microdosing, these are the same changes that I’ve noticed with my microdosing. So almost exactly the same. So I can’t really be sure that either the transcendental Medi the microdosing meditation the microdosing meditation has made it better, or whether it’s just a, a, a factor that I’ve been microdosing longer and I’m going through these changes anyway, I’m not positive. Um, but I, from what I’ve heard from what I’ve read, the, um, changes that we notice from microdosing magic mushrooms and from microdosing meditation, um, they’re very, very similar. So I will say for, for those of you that are a little bit reluctant, not sure about microdosing, you’re a little bit worried about using something that is in some areas, not legal, um, doing the microdosing meditation might be a safe and viable alternative for you. So let me share with you exactly how I do it now.

Dr. Dave: (04:06)
Again, I am not a transcendental meditation instructor. I’m not associated with the organization. I’ve never taken one of their courses. So I’ve gathered this just from years of, you know, I look, I grew up in the sixties and seventies, so I knew about TM back then. So I’m taking this from my years and years of hearing about it. Uh, hearing people talk about it, researching, et cetera, here is what I do every single day, twice a day. So I find my so first, the first thing I did was I selected a mantra. A mantra is a word or a sound that, um, you say repeatedly during your meditation, it can be anything, but here’s what I recommend. I recommend that it be two syllables or two words kind of put together, um, because I use the, my mantra in conjunction with my breathing in and out.

Dr. Dave: (04:59)
So when I breathe in during the meditation, I will say to myself, the first word or the first syllable of my mantra, and then as I breathe out and it’s all done through my nose, I will say the second and I will repeat it. So don’t worry. I’ll get, I’ll get back into that a second. So, um, I suggest that you choose a mantra. It could be a word, it could be a word from another language. It could be a made up word. The only thing I’m going to ask you is that it’s not a word that has meaning to you. And the reason for that is let’s say, for example, you, um, use the word pencil as a mantra, as you’re meditating, as you’re saying pencil to yourself for 20 minutes at a time nonstop as you’re breathing, you’re gonna have, at some point, you’re gonna have a, a vision of a pencil. You, it it’s look it’s impossible not to. So you’re gonna be thinking, you’re gonna be saying the word

Dr. Dave: (05:56)
Pencil, but you’ll be thinking about a pencil. That’s why it’s better to have a word that has no real meaning to you. A very common mantra is just simply the Sanskrit phrase, sat Nam. I mean, most people don’t speak San Sanskrit, so they don’t really know what that means if it has a meaning. So if you say soft, no, um, as, and again, that is a possible and very common mantra. Um, also you could pick something that you just make up and it sounds good to you and it resonates with you. I, I don’t think there’s any right or wrong, although in the organization I’ve referred to a little while ago, I think they make a really big deal and have a big ceremony about being assigned a mantra to me. I don’t think that’s that big of a deal. It has to be something that resonates with you that you can remember that you like, that feels good.

Dr. Dave: (06:49)
And I think that’s really about it, but again, make sure it’s something that you, that does not have a true meaning to you in the spirit of microdosing meditation. I do not share my mantra and I would recommend you do not share yours. Keep it very personal. If somebody asks you what yours is, just say, this is very personal to me and I don’t share it. So what I do is I pick a comfortable location, oftentimes on the sofa over there or wherever I could be. And I just sit down, get in a comfortable position. I set my timer to 20 minutes and I normally do not play any music. I just listen to ambient sounds around, but, um, uh, I don’t really play any, any different type of music or anything like that during my meditation. And for 20 minutes, all I do is try my best to clear my mind, but it’s all it’s automatically done when you repeat your mantra.

Dr. Dave: (07:43)
So I will take a deep breath in, not too deep, but I’ll take a breath in, and I’ll say the first part of my mantra, and let’s, let’s use the word pencil, cuz that’s not a good mantra, but I’m using that example. So as I breathe in, I’ll think to myself, pen and breathing out soul pen soul, and I’ll just keep reading in. And again, that’s not my mantra and I do not recommend that as a mantra, but that’s just an example how to do that. Then you just keep doing that and you don’t have to think about it. You don’t have to, like you don’t have to intentionally try to clear your mind because that’s the purpose of the mantra. The mantra does that for you. When you keep repeating something over and over and over, along with breathing, it’s gonna do the work for you.

Dr. Dave: (08:30)
You can even be somebody that does not believe it’s going to work. You can be skeptical. It doesn’t really matter because if you perform this microdosing meditation, as I explained, it will work for you. Then when your timer goes off at 20 minutes, that’s the end, the best times to do it are in the morning. When you wake up in the morning before you really start with your morning activities and in the evening, well, before you go to bed, probably, maybe right after dinner, before you start your evening activities, but there’s no, again, there’s no real right or no wrong, but you do need to do it twice per day, 20 minutes at a time, morning and evening are the best times to do it. You can do it if you’re a passenger in a car, um, don’t do it while you’re driving, but you can do it in situations where, um, as long as you can find a comfortable place to be and have reasonable, quiet, you know, you don’t want to do it in a construction zone.

Dr. Dave: (09:25)
Um, it, or you don’t wanna do it when somebody’s using leaf blowers or it’s super, super loud. That’s probably not gonna be conducive, but as long as reasonably quiet, um, and you can maintain that 20 minutes of breathing and saying your mantra. That’s what microdosing meditation is. I urge you to try it. Um, don’t just try it one time. Don’t just try it for a few days. Try it for at least a month, at least a month. They say it even could take a lot longer to see really, really great results. Um, I’m pretty certain it’s gonna help you quite a bit. It can lower blood pressure. It can absolutely decrease anxiety, but you have to do it in order for it to work. It’s a great adjunct to, um, microdosing magic mushrooms. It absolutely is. I think the two of them go really, really, really well together. Okay. I hope this helps you again. Thanks so much for being here with micro Rudo. You we’ll have more classes in the future. If you have not subscribed yet, make sure you click that subscribe button and enable notifications. I got a lot more stuff coming, coming at you. Talk to you soon, Dr. Dave.